Page 52 of 61 FirstFirst ... 2425051525354 ... LastLast
Results 511 to 520 of 605

Thread: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

  1. #511
    Sage
    apdst's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Bagdad, La.
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    76,356

    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Where did I say or imply such a thing? Can you READ?
    You said that prohibition was abolished, therefore the sale and consumption of alcohol became legal. To abolish DADT, they're going to have to make sodomy legal.





    I answered your question (as have others) with documentation to prove that there is indeed a precedent for Congress abolishing a law. That you don't like the answer is of no concern to me. I suggest you get over it.
    Prohibition wasn't a law, it was a constitutional amendment. Not much difference, but still different.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

  2. #512
    Liberal Fascist For Life!


    Redress's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Georgia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:56 PM
    Lean
    Very Liberal
    Posts
    93,294
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Alright folks here it is plain and simple we right now have a Democrat President and Democrated Controlled Congress then why doesn't Mr. Obama just sign an Excut. order doing away with DADT and Section 825 Art. 125.

    You all keep saying he can and that Congress is the only one's who can change the UCMJ never mind the fact it's the job of the USSC to rule what is and isn't a legal law.

    So come on folks tell me why he doesn't just do today,tomorrow, next week huh ????????
    This is a question some of us are asking. Why not get this done, since it can be and should be. Should have been done in January.
    We became a great nation not because we are a nation of cynics. We became a great nation because we are a nation of believers - Lindsey Graham

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Uh oh Megyn...your vagina witchcraft is about ready to be exposed.

  3. #513
    You kids get off my lawn!
    Glinda's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Last Seen
    06-11-11 @ 02:01 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    1,716

    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You said that prohibition was abolished, therefore the sale and consumption of alcohol became legal. To abolish DADT, they're going to have to make sodomy legal.
    You sure are obsessed with sodomy. Why is that?


    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Prohibition wasn't a law, it was a constitutional amendment. Not much difference, but still different.
    Only in your tiny, easily confused mind.

  4. #514
    Filmmaker Lawyer Patriot
    Harshaw's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:59 PM
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    29,532

    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You said that prohibition was abolished, therefore the sale and consumption of alcohol became legal. To abolish DADT, they're going to have to make sodomy legal.
    No.

    All they have to do is amend 10 U.S.C. 37 Sec. 654.

    US CODE: Title 10,654. Policy concerning homosexuality in the armed forces

    The self-embarrassment continues.
    “Offing those rich pigs with their own forks and knives, and then eating a meal in the same room, far out! The Weathermen dig Charles Manson.”-- Bernadine Dohrn

  5. #515
    Sage
    apdst's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Bagdad, La.
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    76,356

    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    You sure are obsessed with sodomy. Why is that?
    Because, it's the article in the UCMJ that prevents gays from serving openly in the military. You knew that, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No.

    All they have to do is amend 10 U.S.C. 37 Sec. 654.

    US CODE: Title 10,654. Policy concerning homosexuality in the armed forces

    The self-embarrassment continues.
    Did you notice the part where it says that it's not a constitutional right to serve in the armed forces? I love that part.

    Anyway, what are they going to to skirt around this?

    “(a) Any person subject to this chapter who engages in unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of sodomy. Penetration, however slight, is sufficient
    to complete the offense.

    Article 125—Sodomy
    Pass a law that violates a law? Man, that's going to be tuff. Anyone care to explain how that's gonna happen??
    Last edited by apdst; 10-13-09 at 07:29 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

  6. #516
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Last Seen
    01-05-10 @ 06:26 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    2,629

    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No.

    All they have to do is amend 10 U.S.C. 37 Sec. 654.

    US CODE: Title 10,654. Policy concerning homosexuality in the armed forces

    The self-embarrassment continues.
    They would still have to remove Section 925 Art. 125 from the UCMJ and the only way that is going to happen is someone is charged with Art. 125 and then appeals it under Section 867 Art. 67a. Till then DADT can't be removed, yes I know it has never been used on straight military folks that's the point, if you remove DADT then you open up the chance and avery goodone that someone will be charged under Section 925 Art. 125. Untill the USSC rules it illegal there isn't much that can be done.

  7. #517
    Filmmaker Lawyer Patriot
    Harshaw's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:59 PM
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    29,532

    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    OK.

    Maybe you both should have your JAG friends read this thread. G'head. Do it. Make sure you beam with pride about how right you are and what fools we all are. Play it up as much as you can before they read it. Really. I dare ya.

    “Offing those rich pigs with their own forks and knives, and then eating a meal in the same room, far out! The Weathermen dig Charles Manson.”-- Bernadine Dohrn

  8. #518
    Sage
    jackalope's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Last Seen
    08-08-14 @ 01:54 PM
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    6,494

    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    This is a question some of us are asking. Why not get this done, since it can be and should be. Should have been done in January.

    Here's an argument why it should be done by having the Congress change the law, rather than have Obama issue an executive order under his Stop Loss authority:


    (snip...)


    Obama has made the argument that he wants to change the law itself on DADT, which would require both houses of Congress to repeal the act, as a more permanent way to stop this outrageous, absurd, un-American, and self-defeating policy.

    So allow me to argue in his favor for the moment (as rare as that's become around here), by offering two points, after which I'm interested in your thoughts on this:


    1) The Bush Administration's use of selective enforcement of laws, and signing statements to quietly declare it in many cases, under the "Theory of the Unitary Executive," was an abomination to the U.S. Constitution. If Obama were to sign a stop-loss order, temporarily repealing DADT by ordering that it not be enforced, wouldn't he be doing the same thing we all so despised when Bush did it?

    2) Obama's argued that changing the law itself is a much more permanent way to assure that it stays changed, and can't easily be undone by a future President. To that end, doesn't not changing the policy by Presidential fiat keep the heat under Congress to pass the law that he'd need to sign to end this absurdity once and for all? It seems to me that if an Executive Order is signed it'll put the issue even farther onto a Congressional back-burner, and perhaps even to the point where the law won't be repealed at all before it becomes too late to do so, for example, in the event of a less equality-friendly Congress or President in the foreseeable future.

    more ...

    The BRAD BLOG : Don't Ask Don't Hurry

    Here's another article making the same argument: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-k..._b_317522.html
    Last edited by jackalope; 10-13-09 at 07:53 PM.

  9. #519
    Liberal Fascist For Life!


    Redress's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Georgia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:56 PM
    Lean
    Very Liberal
    Posts
    93,294
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Here's an argument why it should be done by having the Congress change the law, rather than have Obama issue an executive order under his Stop Loss authority:
    I understand that argument, and to an extent agree with it. That does not excuse it not being done by now. Congress could easily have had a bill on Obama's desk repealing DADT and authorizing gays to serve openly in the military in January.
    We became a great nation not because we are a nation of cynics. We became a great nation because we are a nation of believers - Lindsey Graham

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Uh oh Megyn...your vagina witchcraft is about ready to be exposed.

  10. #520
    Sage
    apdst's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Bagdad, La.
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    76,356

    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    I can't believe it, but I'm actually sticking up for PBO...
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

Page 52 of 61 FirstFirst ... 2425051525354 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •