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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Actually, from my Navy experience I can say yes and no. But you're probably not going to like the no part.
    I agree that when a woman accuses a man of sexual harassment it usually does end up being something that is trivial and could have been handled at a lower level and with more common sense. And I could see this starting to occur on the ship (in the SY, most of the time, I was the only female where I worked, either sailor or civilian, so there really were no issues).

    However, this isn't true from my firsthand experience of sexual harassment from same sex. The girls in my berthing were all accused of being lesbians and flaunting ourselves in front of the girls in the berthing below us. The only outcome was EO and tolerance counseling for us and them. And one of the girls in my berthing was getting out for being gay, but only because she signed the statement so that she could take a job that provided benefits for her partner. So they had proof that she was gay, but she did not get in any more or less "trouble" than the rest of us. And most of the guys that I knew on the ship knew which guys were gay, but it didn't matter, most of the time. We did have a Master Chief that always seemed to be touching the guys. Even though it made a lot of them uncomfortable, no one ever brought any formal complaints/charges against him for it, despite rumors that he was gay.
    I saw personally 2 sexual harassment cases, one dismissed, the other the guy got 30/30 and had to take a class. It takes some time to learn the rules, but they are not hard to understand really.
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Of course there isn't. Wh's going to do that study? The Army? Congress? They're going to do a study that calls women who file sexual harassment complaints liars? Those docs don't exist. I can only relate to you my personal experiences. Redress can call me a liar all she pleases, but it's the truth.
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    There isn't? Really?
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Did you even read reefedjib's post? That's not what he was referring to. I don't expect you to see anything that you don't want to see, however.
    You where not replying to him, but to Winston. He asked for studies, I supplied them for you since you did not. I did not even complete the first page of a google search to get those links. You just claimed without looking apparently that no such studies had been done.
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You where not replying to him, but to Winston. He asked for studies, I supplied them for you since you did not. I did not even complete the first page of a google search to get those links. You just claimed without looking apparently that no such studies had been done.
    Those links show how sexual harrassment regulations have been abused in the military? I opened them and they didn't appear to support such claims.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Sexual harrassment, in the Army, is all about interpretation. Anyone that's been in th Army can tell you the same thing. Were you in the service?
    I don't see how that could even be interpreted as sexual harassment. Perhaps you could enlighten me?

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I don't see how that could even be interpreted as sexual harassment. Perhaps you could enlighten me?
    What are you specifically referring to?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What are you specifically referring to?
    According to the guidelines of sexual harassment that you listed, how could being open about your sexual orientation be interpreted as such?

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    According to the guidelines of sexual harassment that you listed, how could being open about your sexual orientation be interpreted as such?
    Being open about it, as in if someone asked you a question and you answer it, is one thing. If you're speaking directly to another soldier and you're not actually on that subject and you blurt it out, then that could be interpreted as a sexual advance. I know, you're going to say I'm full of ****, but know this, valid complaint, or not, a commander has no choice but to investigate any claim of sexual harassment and the details of that investigation will be filed in your permanent record.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Sure,

    The moment the White House doesn't need the support of the military, President Obama will tackle its traditions. Worked out great for President Clinton.


    The irony here is that gays in the military were left relatively alone until Clinton's "Don't Ask Don't Tell." It gave gays a way out of the military and forced the military to have to deal with obvious offenders.

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