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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

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    And, that would be a blatant falsehood.
    I would like to see some verifiable evidence of what you are stating here.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

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    I would like to see some verifiable evidence of what you are stating here.
    I've already posted the Army's definition of sexual harrassment. Anyone with any real amount of reading comprehension can see how vague and broad the definition of sexual harrassment is. Anyone that's been in the service, especially the Army, can support what I'm saying.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I've already posted the Army's definition of sexual harrassment. Anyone with any real amount of reading comprehension can see how vague and broad the definition of sexual harrassment is. Anyone that's been in the service, especially the Army, can support what I'm saying.
    I saw what you posted and they aren't very vague at all. As you claimed earlier, being open about your sexual orientation could be deemed as sexual harassment. Nowhere in the definitions that you posted would that be considered sexual harassment.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I saw what you posted and they aren't very vague at all. As you claimed earlier, being open about your sexual orientation could be deemed as sexual harassment. Nowhere in the definitions that you posted would that be considered sexual harassment.
    Sexual harrassment, in the Army, is all about interpretation. Anyone that's been in th Army can tell you the same thing. Were you in the service?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I saw what you posted and they aren't very vague at all. As you claimed earlier, being open about your sexual orientation could be deemed as sexual harassment. Nowhere in the definitions that you posted would that be considered sexual harassment.
    Nor would opening the door for some one of the opposite sex, as aspdt claimed. He has also failed to come through on his claim that there are regulations against romance onboard ship. Funny how he can offer not evidence to support his claims..
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I've already posted the Army's definition of sexual harrassment. Anyone with any real amount of reading comprehension can see how vague and broad the definition of sexual harrassment is. Anyone that's been in the service, especially the Army, can support what I'm saying.
    I've already agreed with you that sexual harassment is abused in the armed forces. I'm just wondering if there is any kind of study with empirical evidence to verify/support said argument. And if not I do think one needs to be undertaken. Since you are obviously a military person I thought you might have knowledge of a study outside of your own realm of experience.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I've already posted the Army's definition of sexual harrassment. Anyone with any real amount of reading comprehension can see how vague and broad the definition of sexual harrassment is. Anyone that's been in the service, especially the Army, can support what I'm saying.
    Actually, from my Navy experience I can say yes and no. But you're probably not going to like the no part.
    I agree that when a woman accuses a man of sexual harassment it usually does end up being something that is trivial and could have been handled at a lower level and with more common sense. And I could see this starting to occur on the ship (in the SY, most of the time, I was the only female where I worked, either sailor or civilian, so there really were no issues).

    However, this isn't true from my firsthand experience of sexual harassment from same sex. The girls in my berthing were all accused of being lesbians and flaunting ourselves in front of the girls in the berthing below us. The only outcome was EO and tolerance counseling for us and them. And one of the girls in my berthing was getting out for being gay, but only because she signed the statement so that she could take a job that provided benefits for her partner. So they had proof that she was gay, but she did not get in any more or less "trouble" than the rest of us. And most of the guys that I knew on the ship knew which guys were gay, but it didn't matter, most of the time. We did have a Master Chief that always seemed to be touching the guys. Even though it made a lot of them uncomfortable, no one ever brought any formal complaints/charges against him for it, despite rumors that he was gay.
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I've already agreed with you that sexual harassment is abused in the armed forces. I'm just wondering if there is any kind of study with empirical evidence to verify/support said argument. And if not I do think one needs to be undertaken. Since you are obviously a military person I thought you might have knowledge of a study outside of your own realm of experience.
    Of course there isn't. Wh's going to do that study? The Army? Congress? They're going to do a study that calls women who file sexual harassment complaints liars? Those docs don't exist. I can only relate to you my personal experiences. Redress can call me a liar all she pleases, but it's the truth.
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Actually, from my Navy experience I can say yes and no. But you're probably not going to like the no part.
    I agree that when a woman accuses a man of sexual harassment it usually does end up being something that is trivial and could have been handled at a lower level and with more common sense. And I could see this starting to occur on the ship (in the SY, most of the time, I was the only female where I worked, either sailor or civilian, so there really were no issues).

    However, this isn't true from my firsthand experience of sexual harassment from same sex. The girls in my berthing were all accused of being lesbians and flaunting ourselves in front of the girls in the berthing below us. The only outcome was EO and tolerance counseling for us and them. And one of the girls in my berthing was getting out for being gay, but only because she signed the statement so that she could take a job that provided benefits for her partner. So they had proof that she was gay, but she did not get in any more or less "trouble" than the rest of us. And most of the guys that I knew on the ship knew which guys were gay, but it didn't matter, most of the time. We did have a Master Chief that always seemed to be touching the guys. Even though it made a lot of them uncomfortable, no one ever brought any formal complaints/charges against him for it, despite rumors that he was gay.
    I don't see anything that is that far away from what I've already said.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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