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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Which does not prove your point. Your claims as to what is sexual harassment is nothing like that statement.

    By the way, all branches of service have the same sexual harassment policy.
    That documentation goes all the way to prove my point. What did you do in the Navy, perhaps our different rates has something to do with different experiences.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    This is untrue. On sexually integrated ships, romances are common.
    But, unauthorized. Show me where NAV/MAC regulations authorizes romatic relations onboard ship.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

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    But, unauthorized. Show me where NAV/MAC regulations authorizes romatic relations onboard ship.
    So this would some how change when President Obama orders DADT to be repealed?

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    But, unauthorized. Show me where NAV/MAC regulations authorizes romatic relations onboard ship.
    Holy ****, that is the funniest thing I have ever read. Show me where it is illegal. Show me where I was authorized to take a piss onboard ship, and yet I did it frequently.
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    Uh oh Megyn...your vagina witchcraft is about ready to be exposed.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Not much you could do with it, without gender segregated units. The Army's policy on sexual harrassment sucks, but I can understand why it is the way it is. All it would take is one phone call from a female soldier to her congress critter and the congress critter conduct a congressional inquiry of that unit and it's commanders and life would turn real miserable, real fast. It's easier just to fry the accused soldier and move on.
    That's messed up. I can see your point, at least I think this is your point, that without a change in SH policy, removing DADT won't work.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Holy ****, that is the funniest thing I have ever read. Show me where it is illegal. Show me where I was authorized to take a piss onboard ship, and yet I did it frequently.

    You mean you aren't familiar with the Navy's latrining regulations? I bet there's something somewhere that states you can't piss off the side of the ship, ain't it?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You mean you aren't familiar with the Navy's latrining regulations? I bet there's something somewhere that states you can't piss off the side of the ship, ain't it?
    Different situation. There where places where it was proscribed, and written rules as such, but no rules allowing me to take a piss. If it is illegal to have a romance onboard ship, there has to be a rule stating this. Please find it.
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    Uh oh Megyn...your vagina witchcraft is about ready to be exposed.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    That's messed up. I can see your point, at least I think this is your point, that without a change in SH policy, removing DADT won't work.
    I think with the current policy, removing DADT will do more harm--especially to gay soldiers--than good.

    Another scenario I see happening, is that there will be a double standard created, where the regulations aren't applied to gay soldiers the same way they're applied to straight soldiers. There's already a double standard between males and females.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Different situation. There where places where it was proscribed, and written rules as such, but no rules allowing me to take a piss. If it is illegal to have a romance onboard ship, there has to be a rule stating this. Please find it.
    You just answered you own challenge. Good job.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I think with the current policy, removing DADT will do more harm--especially to gay soldiers--than good.

    Another scenario I see happening, is that there will be a double standard created, where the regulations aren't applied to gay soldiers the same way they're applied to straight soldiers. There's already a double standard between males and females.
    Yeah, I see what you mean. There was a double-standard for men and women when I served. Verbal harrassment was SH then too.

    So to successfully remove DADT, we have to change the current policy. This is why I was asking how you would do that. Prevent that congressional investigation from occurring. What are they doing investigating a unit anyways? Where is that in the Constitution? It's probably in there. I read the first 8 or so pages of this thread - long thread - and saw where UCMJ is US Code. That was new to me. Anyway, we have to change the current SH policy.

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