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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Well, once again the integration of black and white soldiers resulted in murder, often of the black soldier. Still the Army got through it and now we are truly integrated and have been for decades.
    Yeah, but we're not talking about race, we're talking about sexual orientation and black males are the most homophobic mother ****ers I know.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No matter how many soldiers die because of it? Sorry, but I don't agree that it's worth it.
    The problem herein is your assumption that soldiers will die as a result of this, which the data does not support. Other countries have had success with allowing gays in the military, gays serve in our military today. How many extra deaths are a result of either of those facts.
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Not exactly, but if a straight soldier goes around telling female soldiers that he's straight, not only can he be charged with violating DADT, but he can be charged with sexual harrassment, which could lead to a charge of conduct unbecoming, which would result in being dishonorably discharged. Failure to adjust to military life, what-have-you.
    saying you are strait or gay is not sexual harassment.
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    What!? Surely it takes more than that?
    Unfortunately, it doesn't. The interpretation is the only thing that matters. In the military there is a charge called, "intent to rape". That doesn't exist in the civilian world. An intent to rape charge can be brought, even without physical contact. And, it applies to off duty/off post personel as it does to personel on duty and on post.
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Not exactly, but if a straight soldier goes around telling female soldiers that he's straight, not only can he be charged with violating DADT, but he can be charged with sexual harrassment, which could lead to a charge of conduct unbecoming, which would result in being dishonorably discharged. Failure to adjust to military life, what-have-you.
    And if even once a soldier is found out to be gay they can be discharge that is not the same for straight soldiers

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    saying you are strait or gay is not sexual harassment.
    It could be interpreted that way and if so, there will be charges brought.

    I had to roast a soldier because he told a female officer that her uniform was looking good and winked at her. It's rediculous what can constitute sexual harrassment in the service.

    You're thinking like a civilian. We're talking about the military.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Unfortunately, it doesn't. The interpretation is the only thing that matters. In the military there is a charge called, "intent to rape". That doesn't exist in the civilian world. An intent to rape charge can be brought, even without physical contact. And, it applies to off duty/off post personel as it does to personel on duty and on post.
    That's crazy, but I understand. The mere accusation of intent is enough. They should change that.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    And if even once a soldier is found out to be gay they can be discharge that is not the same for straight soldiers
    Great, now that gay soldier can be discharged for conduct unbecoming, rather than for his/her sexual orientation. There, everybody is equal. Happy?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, but we're not talking about race, we're talking about sexual orientation and black males are the most homophobic mother ****ers I know.
    That's for damn sure! I wonder if that is because there are so many gay black men!

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It could be interpreted that way and if so, there will be charges brought.

    I had to roast a soldier because he told a female officer that her uniform was looking good and winked at her. It's rediculous what can constitute sexual harrassment in the service.

    You're thinking like a civilian. We're talking about the military.
    That is a different situation than simply saying you are strait or gay. Saying "I am strait" is not harassment(depending on the situation a bit, you could do it in a harassing way as part of an unwelcome advance).
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