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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    I'm sure that there are thousands of closeted gung ho trogladites who can't even hold a gun without thinking about a penis..that's were the true problem lies. They are a danger only to themselves. The people that are honest about their sexuality are a danger to nobody.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    I'm sure that there are thousands of closeted gung ho trogladites who can't even hold a gun without thinking about a penis..that's were the true problem lies. They are a danger only to themselves. The people that are honest about their sexuality are a danger to nobody.


    Hmm. I think there are more honorable ways to have this discussion than dissing some troops you disagree with.
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And, I'm saying that if a soldier files a grievance and refuses to shower with another soldier, then you're going to find a great big can of worms to deal with. Bottom line is, if straight soldiers refuse to share billets with gay soldiers, or gay soldiers refuse to share billets with straight soldiers, that's their right and the military is going to be forced to accomadate them.

    Wow. And I believe you said this is due to the DADT policy, is that right? I served before that time. Why couldn't you take that right away - you have to billet and shower with whomever the unit tells you to?

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    I'm sure that there are thousands of closeted gung ho trogladites who can't even hold a gun without thinking about a penis..that's were the true problem lies. They are a danger only to themselves. The people that are honest about their sexuality are a danger to nobody.
    Oh, so there's something wrong with all those straight soldiers out there? Is that it? Nevermind all the great service they've given us over the past 234 years.
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Wow. And I believe you said this is due to the DADT policy, is that right?
    No, it's not because of DADT. I believe that if gays want to serve in the military, then DADT is the best policy we can come up with.

    I served before that time. Why couldn't you take that right away - you have to billet and shower with whomever the unit tells you to?
    So, a female can be ordered to share a shower/billets with a male soldier? I think we both know that that won't happen.
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    RAND | Monograph/Reports | Sexual Orientation and U.S. Military Personnel Policy: Options and Assessment

    This is the mpost detailed and up to date study on the issue of gays and the military, done by Rand Corp at the request of the Pentagon. Full report is available in 3 PDF's at the linked page.

    Several observations emerged from these visits. In countries that allow homosexuals to serve, the number of openly homosexual service members is small and is believed to represent a minority of homosexuals actually serving. Open homosexuals were appropriately circumspect in military situations: They did not call attention to themselves in ways that could make their service less pleasant or impede their careers. When problems were reported, they were usually resolved satisfactorily on a case-by-case basis. None of these countries reported any impairment in military performance resulting from the presence of homosexuals.
    In other words, queens and dykes are not going to run rampant in the military, and full integration is possible without affecting military performance.

    The RAND study suggests that although the presence of a known homosexual may affect social cohesion, it is unlikely to undermine task cohesion, provided that the individual demonstrates competence and a commitment to the unit's mission. Therefore, researchers conclude that the presence of known homosexuals on the force is not likely to undermine military performance.
    In other words, there could be some minor growing pains when this happens, but on a small scale that can be handled easily at the command level(in fact, command taking a firm hand should result in raised morale).

    The report is long, and goes from looking at whether it would work, to how it would need be implemented.
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post

    So, a female can be ordered to share a shower/billets with a male soldier? I think we both know that that won't happen.
    NEWSFLASH: gay men are not women.
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I served before that time. Why couldn't you take that right away - you have to billet and shower with whomever the unit tells you to?
    So, a female can be ordered to share a shower/billets with a male soldier? I think we both know that that won't happen.
    Well, in the near term, I was just thinking about gays in the military. My suggestion to extend this to co-ed situations was half-humorous, half-serious, but most certainly at some point in the distant future. I would be happy to see women serve in combat units first, with separate shower facilities.

    The US has a very strange obsession with the naked body, regardless of your sexual preference. Probably rooted in our puritanical orgins. It is equated with sex instead of just being a naked body. In Germany, where I was stationed, I used to ride my bike out to the local quarry. There was a beach and water you could swim in. Germans used to go frequently and when Germans go to the beach they strip down naked. Beautiful women were a bonus, to be sure, but you got old folks and fat folks and young kids and everything - buck naked. After the initial shock, being an American and unused to such a display, it wore off and it just started seeming to be natural. Sure, I still looked at the beautiful women, as did practically every man there, but it stopped being a stare as that's rude.

    This aversion to nudity can be overcome in the military. That's what leadership is all about.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And, I'm saying that if a soldier files a grievance and refuses to shower with another soldier, then you're going to find a great big can of worms to deal with. Bottom line is, if straight soldiers refuse to share billets with gay soldiers, or gay soldiers refuse to share billets with straight soldiers, that's their right and the military is going to be forced to accomadate them.

    Why would that be their right? Are they generally allowed now to refuse to bunk near someone they don't like?

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    not a right...but pretty common. although, someone has to bunk with the smelly guy...
    But somehow the guy who stinks like onion pitts and sweaty, unwiped ass is preferable to a gay man or a >gasp< woman.
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