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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    From my vantage point on active duty, I'd say the current climate would be more accepting to gay soldiers than it used to.

    With that being said, I'm not looking forward to all the new EO and POSH classes I'll have to go through if DADT is overturned. Uh, nightmare.

    Ironically, I think your average grunt would rather have a gay man in his foxhole instead of a female. Sexism is still far more prevelant than homophobia, IMO. I know that's the way I feel. I served with a few guys that I am pretty sure were gay. I had no issue with them. I prefer not to have females in my unit, if possible. I would rather have the gay guy.

    I have to say that if I had to choose between a female, or a gay male to share a fighting position with, I would definitely choose the gay male, unless he was a major dork, then I would just man that pos by myself.

    But, we can't just look at it from a combat perspective. Military service is only about 10% combat and the rest is a garrison environment. If straight, or even gay soldiers refuse to share billets with other soldiers of the same sex, then they have that right.
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    So then explain how a gay soldiers serving openly stomps on the rights of heterosexual soldiers?
    I've explained it in the above post.
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Why? Most servicemembers are well aware now of who in their units are gay. And, I'm pretty sure that in most of the situations where the military has open-bay showers, most people are way more concerned about getting in, getting clean, and getting out than looking at someone else's junk. (I figure those who would be worried that theirs is being stared at will feel that way whether gays serve openly or in the closet.)
    And so what if they do stare? It's just nudity. We need to get over it. Now, unwanted physical advances are another story. They'll sort themselves out.

    The objective ought to be scenes from the movie Starship Trooper, by Robert Heinlein, where the units are co-ed and everyone showers together.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I have to say that if I had to choose between a female, or a gay male to share a fighting position with, I would definitely choose the gay male, unless he was a major dork, then I would just man that pos by myself.
    There's a lot straight soldiers that are dorks

    But, we can't just look at it from a combat perspective. Military service is only about 10% combat and the rest is a garrison environment. If straight, or even gay soldiers refuse to share billets with other soldiers of the same sex, then they have that right.
    Agreed, but combat is what counts. Still, females cause me more problems in garrison than gays would, I think. I still believe that many gay soldiers would not "come out" even if DADT went away.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    And so what if they do stare? It's just nudity. We need to get over it. Now, unwanted physical advances are another story. They'll sort themselves out.

    If they stare, then it will be considered sexual harrassment. That's what.

    The objective ought to be scenes from the movie Starship Trooper, by Robert Heinlein, where the units are co-ed and everyone showers together.
    That ain't never gonna happen.
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    soldiers refuse to share billets with other soldiers of the same sex, then they have that right.
    I never knew soldiers had the right to choose their roommates.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    There's a lot straight soldiers that are dorks
    Don't I know!...



    Agreed, but combat is what counts.
    It all goes hand in hand. Problems that start in garrison can blow up in the field. You know that.


    Still, females cause me more problems in garrison than gays would, I think. I still believe that many gay soldiers would not "come out" even if DADT went away.
    I had a gay soldier that got his ass kicked for making advances in the shower. We had to billet him at battalion, because the entire company refused to take showers as long as he was in the unit...and that was their right to protest.
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I never knew soldiers had the right to choose their roommates.
    Of course they do. You can't force a female soldier to share billets with a male soldier.
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If they stare, then it will be considered sexual harrassment. That's what.
    That's ridiculus. That's not sexual harrassment, that's staring at a little nudity. When I was in service, in the late 80's, we had one guy with a HUGE penis. Everyone stared at it, poor guy. We nicknamed him "the Trout". We never considered that sexual harrassment; perhaps it was.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Of course they do. You can't force a female soldier to share billets with a male soldier.
    So when did it become the right of soldiers to choose their roommates?

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