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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post

    Please expain the negative aspects of having "openly gay citizens" serving their country and explain just how they might conduct themselves differently than they do currently when the President and congress repeal DADT?
    It opens up a whole new can of worms. Gay and straight showers and billets, rape and sexual harrassment rates could possibly rise.
    It could have a negative impact on morale, at a time when it's obvious that the Congress and the president aren't big fans of out military.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    They could certainly frame the debate in that fashion of it being useful for the War on Terror, but nevertheless there is still a large amount of people who do not see it that crucially to winning the War on Terror.



    Why do you want me to do that, exactly? You can get those responses anywhere. Secondly, I already said I support removal of DADT.
    Are you saying the decision should be postponed pending the end of the war on Terror?

    How about instead because of the War on terror we stop undermining our armed forces by getting rid of excellent soldiers due to their sexuality

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It opens up a whole new can of worms. Gay and straight showers and billets, rape and sexual harrassment rates could possibly rise.
    It could have a negative impact on morale, at a time when it's obvious that the Congress and the president aren't big fans of out military.
    Thank you

    Gay and straight showers?

    How about just a shower and be thankful at that. As for rape and sexual harrassment, just punish indiscipline severely.

    It wont have any impact on morale, the decent soldier in the field is unconcerned about such things. Nor does the President or congress have any such impact.

    If the British can do it then the Americans certainly can.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    I have seen those polls quite a number of times. The problem is that I think that the numbers will dwindle once the issue comes to the forefront and a number of our elected officials will probably be hesitant to agree with it.

    Are you saying the decision should be postponed pending the end of the war on Terror?

    How about instead because of the War on terror we stop undermining our armed forces by getting rid of excellent soldiers due to their sexuality
    No. This is, what...the second or third time someone has tried to sell me in one position or another in this thread. Again, I fully support removal of DADT at any point. I'm just not so sure the Obama administration or various members of Congress will see it the same way.
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by creation View Post
    Thank you

    Gay and straight showers?

    How about just a shower and be thankful at that. As for rape and sexual harrassment, just punish indiscipline severely.

    It wont have any impact on morale, the decent soldier in the field is unconcerned about such things. Nor does the President or congress have any such impact.

    If the British can do it then the Americans certainly can.
    This ain't Britain, nor should we try to be like the Europeans.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Has he decided if we are staying or going in A-stan yet?
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Has he decided if we are staying or going in A-stan yet?
    Well, apparently, the removal of troops option was ruled out last week or earlier. Status-quo, raise in troop levels below 40,000, and troop levels to 40,000 are still the options present.
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It opens up a whole new can of worms. Gay and straight showers and billets, rape and sexual harrassment rates could possibly rise.
    It could have a negative impact on morale, at a time when it's obvious that the Congress and the president aren't big fans of out military.
    Why? Most servicemembers are well aware now of who in their units are gay. And, I'm pretty sure that in most of the situations where the military has open-bay showers, most people are way more concerned about getting in, getting clean, and getting out than looking at someone else's junk. (I figure those who would be worried that theirs is being stared at will feel that way whether gays serve openly or in the closet.)

    And why in the world would you think that homosexuals would jeopardize their open status by engaging in behaviors such as harassment and/or rape more after working so hard to serve openly? Where did you get this idea from?
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    This ain't Britain, nor should we try to be like the Europeans.
    Whats the difference? Both have modern armies based on modern secular socially liberal societies. The British are fighting the very same wars too.

    Problem?

    In fact the risk to unit effectiveness is born not of the gay issue but the gender issue. Women are prone to get pregnant and become useless to the Pentagon.
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Why? Most servicemembers are well aware now of who in their units are gay. And, I'm pretty sure that in most of the situations where the military has open-bay showers, most people are way more concerned about getting in, getting clean, and getting out than looking at someone else's junk. (I figure those who would be worried that theirs is being stared at will feel that way whether gays serve openly or in the closet.)
    That wasn't my experience in the service. But, then I was in the infantry and that's a totally different world from the other branches of arms.

    All it's going to take, is one person to file a grievance and it's going to snowball from there.

    And why in the world would you think that homosexuals would jeopardize their open status by engaging in behaviors such as harassment and/or rape more after working so hard to serve openly? Where did you get this idea from?

    Why is always assumed that I mean gay soldiers when I say that sexual harrassment will increase. Straight soldiers can sexually harrass gay soldiers. Straight soldiers get into trouble all the time for sexual harrassment. They're all human and subject to the same mistakes.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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