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Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

Redress said:
When I was in, people who wanted a quick and easy discharge just got high until they failed a piss test. It was bad enough that we started making them serve their full NJP punishment before being discharged. One guy spent 3 months on a cruise waiting for his drug discharge, and was never allowed off the ship once in that time.
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disneydude said:
Of course....DADT punishes gay soldiers who tell the truth...and rewards straight soldiers who lie. Now that makes sense:roll:
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No one wants to know, why can't you get that????
 
Redress said:
When I was in, people who wanted a quick and easy discharge just got high until they failed a piss test. It was bad enough that we started making them serve their full NJP punishment before being discharged. One guy spent 3 months on a cruise waiting for his drug discharge, and was never allowed off the ship once in that time.
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The differece is Druggies don't get honorable discharges
 
Navy Pride said:
No one wants to know, why can't you get that????
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Its not a matter of wanting to know. I'm sure most gay soldiers would prefer to stay quiet about it as well....but not all want to have to constantly hide their sexual orientation just to serve. Do you think that straight soldiers constantly hide their sexual orientation?
 
disneydude said:
Its not a matter of wanting to know. I'm sure most gay soldiers would prefer to stay quiet about it as well....but not all want to have to constantly hide their sexual orientation just to serve. Do you think that straight soldiers constantly hide their sexual orientation?
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Most people believe Straight is the norm, even in LA LA......Seem like you would have learned that on your referendum DD.
 
Navy Pride said:
The differece is Druggies don't get honorable discharges
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True, but if you want out, you can get out. DADT just made it easier, and is among its faults. Time to just get rid of it and let gays serve the country they too love.
 
Navy Pride said:
Most people believe Straight is the norm, even in LA LA......Seem like you would have learned that on your referendum DD.
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Doesn't matter what most people believe...do you promote truth or dishonesty?
 
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Redress said:
True, but if you want out, you can get out. DADT just made it easier, and is among its faults. Time to just get rid of it and let gays serve the country they too love.
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Sorry I can't agree....Maybe in the AF but never the Navy........It will never work......There are enough problems under DADT but they would double if it wasn't there............

They use to ask you when you enlisted if you were gay.that was one extreme and was wrong...........dropping DADT is the other extreme..............
 
Navy Pride said:
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Sorry I can't agree....Maybe in the AF but never the Navy........It will never work......There are enough problems under DADT but they would double if it wasn't there............

They use to ask you when you enlisted if you were gay.that was one extreme and was wrong...........dropping DADT is the other extreme..............
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You know there is a gay navy vet who posts on these boards? I knew two gays while in the navy. It's not such a problem as you think.
 
Emotional politics being forced on the military... because the military's job is to make people feel better about themselves.
 
Redress said:
You know there is a gay navy vet who posts on these boards? I knew two gays while in the navy. It's not such a problem as you think.
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I am not denying there are gay sailors and they do their jobs but I was in the Navy for 21 years on 6 Navy ships and I don't care what any gay guy says......There are incidents all the time of gay sailors making unwanted advances against straight........I have seen them personally......Many discharges and hours of paperwork to process them........The military is there to fight your wars not as a place for social experimentation............They tried it with women serving aboard ship and it does not work there either.......The problem is to many senior officers are afraid for their careers to speak out...........

The only way gays serving openly would work is to give them their own ship....
 
The problem with females on ships is that the smaller the department/division, the more it hurts when one or more are suddenly preggers prior to deployment and no time to replace them.
 
MrVicchio said:
The problem with females on ships is that the smaller the department/division, the more it hurts when one or more are suddenly preggers prior to deployment and no time to replace them.
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Exactly, you walk around Naval Station Bremerton or Sub Base Bangor and all you see is pregnant female sailors but that is another thread so I will drop it.....
 
MrVicchio said:
The problem with females on ships is that the smaller the department/division, the more it hurts when one or more are suddenly preggers prior to deployment and no time to replace them.
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Yep, one of the several reasons - like we said in another thread, you have to be able to depend on your soldiers and when the get knocked up (it happens often, either unplanned or quite intentionally - pregnancy rates in the ranks skyrocket before deployment), or are out because of a monthly-cramp day they are no longer dependable. . .these natural factoids of being female are the reason why females in the service are an issue.
 
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MrVicchio said:
The problem with females on ships is that the smaller the department/division, the more it hurts when one or more are suddenly preggers prior to deployment and no time to replace them.
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Navy Pride said:
Exactly, you walk around Naval Station Bremerton or Sub Base Bangor and all you see is pregnant female sailors but that is another thread so I will drop it.....
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Aunt Spiker said:
Yep, one of the several reasons - like we said in another thread, you have to be able to depend on your soldiers and when the get knocked up (it happens often, either unplanned or quite intentionally - pregnancy rates in the ranks skyrocket before deployment), or are out because of a monthly-cramp day they are no longer dependable. . .these natural factoids of being female are the reason why females in the service are an issue.
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Pretty simple to require birth control as a contingency of enrollment in the armed forces. (IUD, IUC, Implant, etc) If they don't want to abide by using such a device, then they can not join the armed forces.
 
rivrrat said:
Pretty simple to require birth control as a contingency of enrollment in the armed forces. (IUD, IUC, Implant, etc) If they don't want to abide by using such a device, then they can not join the armed forces.
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Yeah, go ahead and try that, you woman hater!!!

Seriously, everytime the Navy tries to make punishment for pregnant sailors they get ripped apart by the feminist crowd.
 
rivrrat said:
Pretty simple to require birth control as a contingency of enrollment in the armed forces. (IUD, IUC, Implant, etc) If they don't want to abide by using such a device, then they can not join the armed forces.
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Not as simple as you would think, since it would be very illegal.
 
MrVicchio said:
Yeah, go ahead and try that, you woman hater!!!

Seriously, everytime the Navy tries to make punishment for pregnant sailors they get ripped apart by the feminist crowd.
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Women who get pregnant in the military while deployed should be dishonorably discharged.

apdst said:
Not as simple as you would think, since it would be very illegal.
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Why would it be illegal? It would be purely their choice, what's illegal about letting them choose?
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Absolutely agree, but there'd be public outrage.
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In the Army, we just put the pregnant chicks on Rear Detachment. That way we can still get something out of them.

Those that get pregnant on deployment are sent home and their careers are basically over. That's the choice they make. I would hope that they are busy enough on deployment not to be getting laid.
 
kansaswhig said:
In the Army, we just put the pregnant chicks on Rear Detachment. That way we can still get something out of them.

Those that get pregnant on deployment are sent home and their careers are basically over. That's the choice they make. I would hope that they are busy enough on deployment not to be getting laid.
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Well, lets not forget that it take two to tango - and while one reaps the unfortunate side of pregnancy, the other just gets off without a hitch.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Well, lets not forget that it take two to tango - and while one reaps the unfortunate side of pregnancy, the other just gets off without a hitch.
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Ah yes...It's all the man's fault....I tell ya..This could spring into a debate about abortion without missing a beat.
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j-mac
 
rivrrat said:
Women who get pregnant in the military while deployed should be dishonorably discharged.
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They used to do that too, before it...became illegal.



Why would it be illegal? It would be purely their choice, what's illegal about letting them choose?
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it would be illegal, because the miltiary can't force a soldier to undergo medical treatment, against that soldier's will.
 
j-mac said:
Ah yes...It's all the man's fault....I tell ya..This could spring into a debate about abortion without missing a beat.
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j-mac
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LOL - I didn't say it was all man's fault.
I said it takes two to tango.

You said:
That's the choice they make. I would hope that they are busy enough on deployment not to be getting laid.
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And i simply pointed out that in the act of getting knocked up involves two people getting laid, not just one. . .sex in the service happens all the time, it only becomes a problem when the chick becomes pregnant and unavailable.

I feel that women in this day and age have no excuses for "oops, I'm pregnant" - maybe 100 years ago (but, also noting, that 100 years ago we weren't allowed in the military in strong part becaues of this very same issue) - but not now. The government has ensured that birth control in one form or many forms are available either for free or for a reduced cost.

However - the fault I see is that they don't require women who want to be in the military to be on BC of some nature ... citing rights violations and blah blah.

In my opinion - they should make it mandate ... If you want ot join you have to submit to __ or __ and in order to receive your BC you have to show up, log in, and see the Dr.

If someone doesn't want to accept that - they shouldn't sign up.
If someone doesn't want the government telling them what to do with their bodies they shouldn't sign up (kind of a no brainer, here)
 
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