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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Show me where Article III gives this power to the Supreme Court.
    I have to show you where the SC court has the authority to rule a law unconstitutional? Again, I think you're smarter than that.
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    "Now if someone in the Military wants to challange any part of the UCMJ they can by going thru an Section 867a Art. 67a"

    Scorp is President Obama the Commander in Chief of all military forces?
    Yes he ius but he can't order an Excut. to remove Section 925 Art. 125, come on folks think about it when DADT can to being don't you think that Mr. Clinton would if you could had just wrote an Excut. Order to remove Section 925 Art. 125.

    Use your brains folks before make a comment. DADT was a Comp. end of discussion. And I'm done with this thread since none of you really understand how the **** UCMJ works and what power the USSC has over it.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Article III Section 2

    That section describes judicial jurisdiction - meaning which Courts have the power to decide cases when a challenge to a law has been made. It doesn't give the Supreme Court authority to write any code, nor issue any advisory opinions.



    Section 2 specifies the subject-matter jurisdiction of the federal courts and requires trial by jury in all criminal cases, except impeachment cases.

    Section 2. The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority; to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls; to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction; to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party; to Controversies between two or more States; between a State and Citizens of another State; between Citizens of different States; between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.

    In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.

    Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Yes he ius but he can't order an Excut. to remove Section 925 Art. 125, come on folks think about it when DADT can to being don't you think that Mr. Clinton would if you could had just wrote an Excut. Order to remove Section 925 Art. 125.

    Use your brains folks before make a comment. DADT was a Comp. end of discussion. And I'm done with this thread since none of you really understand how the **** UCMJ works and what power the USSC has over it.

    DADT was a compromise ... which is why Mr. Clinton did not issue an Executive Order repealing the other sections. The compromise was, say nothing and you will not be prosecuted. Speak up, and those sections of the law will be in play.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Yes he ius but he can't order an Excut. to remove Section 925 Art. 125, come on folks think about it when DADT can to being don't you think that Mr. Clinton would if you could had just wrote an Excut. Order to remove Section 925 Art. 125.

    Use your brains folks before make a comment. DADT was a Comp. end of discussion. And I'm done with this thread since none of you really understand how the **** UCMJ works and what power the USSC has over it.
    Scorp you keep repeating this Clinton claim but for the third time post a freaking link that shows Clinton wanted to repeal it and was barred by law from doing so?

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    No, he's absolutely not. The UCMJ is part of the US Code. The US Code is enacted by Congress. This is seriously some 11th grade Government class material here. I'm absolutely astounded that there are two people who are this misinformed.
    unless I was previously counted, you need to make that 3

    on the upside tho, this thread has actually made debating law(s) cool

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Article III Section 2
    Since you refuse to be more specific than that, I'll assume you're referring to the Case or Controversy clause of Art III. That says the exact opposite of what you think it does.

    The United States Supreme Court has determined that the case or controversy requirement found in Article Three of the United States Constitution prohibits United States federal courts from issuing advisory opinions.

    ...

    In a letter to President George Washington, replying to the president's request for such an opinion, then-Chief Justice John Jay replied that it would violate the separation of powers for the Supreme Court to provide such an opinion
    Advisory opinion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I have to show you where the SC court has the authority to rule a law unconstitutional?
    No, you have to show me where the SC has the authority to issue advisory opinions on proposed legislation. That's different than ruling on the constitutionality of an enacted law. If you're getting confused about the distinction, you should not be participating in this discussion.

    Again, I think you're smarter than that.
    I'm not sure why you keep saying this, especially when you don't even appear to understand the things that you're saying I'm too smart to believe.
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post



    No, you have to show me where the SC has the authority to issue advisory opinions on proposed legislation. That's different than ruling on the constitutionality of an enacted law. If you're getting confused about the distinction, you should not be participating in this discussion.
    No, what is upoin you is to show how Congress and/or the president can change the criminal code, at will. I say that they can't do it. And, that one's on you, sport.



    I'm not sure why you keep saying this, especially when you don't even appear to understand the things that you're saying I'm too smart to believe.

    I'm starting lose faith in those comments, too.
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, what is upoin you is to show how Congress and/or the president can change the criminal code, at will. I say that they can't do it. And, that one's on you, sport.






    I'm starting lose faith in those comments, too.
    look out, he brought out the 'sport' card. I think he is getting serious LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, what is upoin you is to show how Congress and/or the president can change the criminal code, at will. I say that they can't do it. And, that one's on you, sport.
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