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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    As I have stated DADT can't be changed because if it is removed then Section 925 Art. 125 can and will be used. As I also stated that if the President could have used an Excut. Order to remove Section 925 Art. 125 then Mr. Clinton would have done it when DADT was implemented. The bottom line is this only the USSC can change the UCMJ and they have very rarely ruled any part of UCMJ Un-Constitutional.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    so why can't the CiC just order it so, and it becomes so? he is the CiC right? not a dig at obama, but really a question

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    so why can't the CiC just order it so, and it becomes so? he is the CiC right? not a dig at obama, but really a question
    Because only the USSC can issue a ruling declaring any part of the UCMJ Un-Constutitional. Trust me folks Mr. Clinton want to order an Excut. to have Section 925 Art. 125 removed but was told he couldn't. The reason why the President can't order an Excut. Order to change UCMJ is the same reason why he/she can't order and Excut. to change Term Limits or any other US Code/Law(s)

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Because only the USSC can issue a ruling declaring any part of the UCMJ Un-Constutitional. Trust me folks Mr. Clinton want to order an Excut. to have Section 925 Art. 125 removed but was told he couldn't. The reason why the President can't order an Excut. Order to change UCMJ is the same reason why he/she can't order and Excut. to change Term Limits or any other US Code/Law(s)

    I think you mean that outside of military courts, only the USSC has jurisdiction; however the USSC doesn't have the authority to legislate.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

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    That's what you get for thinking.
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    so why can't the CiC just order it so, and it becomes so? he is the CiC right? not a dig at obama, but really a question
    Dont know, I always though military policy has to go through the congress.
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    As I have stated DADT can't be changed because if it is removed then Section 925 Art. 125 can and will be used. As I also stated that if the President could have used an Excut. Order to remove Section 925 Art. 125 then Mr. Clinton would have done it when DADT was implemented. The bottom line is this only the USSC can change the UCMJ and they have very rarely ruled any part of UCMJ Un-Constitutional.
    Link that shows Clinton wanted to repeal it and couldn't?

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    As I have stated DADT can't be changed because if it is removed then Section 925 Art. 125 can and will be used. As I also stated that if the President could have used an Excut. Order to remove Section 925 Art. 125 then Mr. Clinton would have done it when DADT was implemented. The bottom line is this only the USSC can change the UCMJ and they have very rarely ruled any part of UCMJ Un-Constitutional.
    I think everyone needs to go read Article 125, then see how Section 925 applies to the article, then you'll see exactly what Scorpion is talking about.

    Ultimately, if PBO orders Section 925 to be removed, it will be flat out illegal for gays to join the military. It will mean hat recruiters will, once again, in accordance with the UCMJ, be required to ask a person's sexual preferrence, upon enlistment. Welcome to the real world, folks.

    Great job, Scorpion.
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    I think you mean that outside of military courts, only the USSC has jurisdiction; however the USSC doesn't have the authority to legislate.
    You are very, very wrong with that one, Jack.
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I think everyone needs to go read Article 125, then see how Section 925 applies to the article, then you'll see exactly what Scorpion is talking about.

    Ultimately, if PBO orders Section 925 to be removed, it will be flat out illegal for gays to join the military. It will mean hat recruiters will, once again, in accordance with the UCMJ, be required to ask a person's sexual preferrence, upon enlistment. Welcome to the real world, folks.

    Great job, Scorpion.

    If they remove the DADT, do you not think they won't remove the sodomy sections, and any other sections that would run contrary to allowing gays to serve openly in the military?

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