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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Looks to me like the President has used executive order's to change the UCMJ before.



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    Looks like that document only proves that recommendations were made. That's teh title of the document, anyway.

    However, nowhere does it show that laws were completely removed.
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

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    Looks like that document only proves that recommendations were made. That's teh title of the document, anyway.

    However, nowhere does it show that laws were completely removed.
    If it can be added to via executive order it can be removed by executive order also.

    The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) is the military's criminal code. It was enacted in 1950 and became effective in 1951. It has been amended since then, with major changes in 1968 and 1983. The UCMJ, which is part of the US Code (USC), is implemented through executive orders of the President. Those executive orders form a comprehensive volume of law known as the Manual for Courts-Martial (MCM).
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

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    And, we all know there's a huge difference between adding to the code and subtracting from the code. Don't we?
    No, there is not. There is zero difference between adding to the code and subtracting from the code. Are you seriously making the argument that the code can get longer and longer, but nothing can ever be removed from it? Really?

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    That being said, please, Mr. Civics, show us where the law allows Congress, or the president to change the UCMJ, at will.
    Scorpion got his ass handed to him last night barking up this tree, but you seem to be determined to follow in his footsteps...

    The UCMJ is a statute at large, and like all statutory laws, it can be changed by Congress:

    The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ, 64 Stat. 109, 10 U.S.C. Chapter 47), is the foundation of military law in the United States.
    Now please just stop with the ignorance. I understand that not everyone is well-versed in civics, but if you aren't, don't pretend like you know what you're talking about and argue basic factual information with those who actually do. Do you really want to embarrass yourself as badly as Scorpion did?

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    Specifically, show us where the president can change the UCMJ via executive order.
    He can't. Congress can change it, and the president can sign or veto the change. Just like any other law.
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Court case...

    In Article 36, UCMJ, 10 USC 836, Congress has authorized the President to prescribe the rules of evidence for courts-martial. Article 36 provides that such rules "shall, so far as [the President] considers practicable, apply the principles of law and the rules of evidence generally recognized in the trial of criminal cases in the United States district courts, but which may not be contrary to or inconsistent with this chapter."
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    The recent reports of abuse of prisoners held by the military in Iraq have raised questions about how the armed forces discipline and punish those who commit crimes or violate the rules and regulations of the military. Congress, under the authorities vested in it, enacted a code of military laws, the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). The President, by Executive Order, has, in turn, established standards and procedures for prosecuting violators of the UCMJ and certain other laws. Military criminal courts are known as courts-martial. This report provides an overview of military courts-martial: who can be tried, potential punishments, and the appeals process.
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    I think you're all wrong and it begs the question: if it's so easily done, why hasn't our Libbo led Congress and Libbo prez just hauled off and done it? I think it's because it's not as easy as you all like to think. But, it could be because they are a buncha big ole pussies and don't have the balls. Which do you think it is?
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    If it can be added to via executive order it can be removed by executive order also.



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    You do know what implemented means. Yes?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I think you're all wrong and it begs the question: if it's so easily done, why hasn't our Libbo led Congress and Libbo prez just hauled off and done it? I think it's because it's not as easy as you all like to think. But, it could be because they are a buncha big ole pussies and don't have the balls. Which do you think it is?
    I think you just lost a debate.
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
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    Should I really go on?
    Yeah, you should. You should show us what the law say that the prez can abolish laws, by executive roder. I mean, hell, by that logic, he could make rape legal.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

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    I think you just lost a debate.
    That's what you get for thinking.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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