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    Re: Armenia and Turkey normalise ties!! Historic accord signed

    Quote Originally Posted by Elena View Post
    No. Most of Western Armenia including mountain Ararat featured on Armenian coat of arms is still part of Turkey.
    The areas you talk of are no longer Armenian. Just like the Middle East, Iran, and the Balkans is no longer Turkish. Look on the map. Those boarders which are modern day Armenia is Armenian territory. The boarders which define modern day Turkey is Turkish territory. No land of the Turks belongs to anybody other than the Turks....im sorry your coat of arms is severly outdated. But there is no room for false claims here.
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    Re: Armenia and Turkey normalise ties!! Historic accord signed

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    The areas you talk of are no longer Armenian.
    Yes, since 1920, few years after genocide. Yet Armenians remember the annexation and I doubt their memory will fade in a hurry...

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    Re: Armenia and Turkey normalise ties!! Historic accord signed

    Quote Originally Posted by Elena View Post
    Yes, since 1920, few years after genocide.
    Borders change. There was no moment in history when all geographical boundaries were fair to everyone, so it makes no sense to cite historical borders as a justification for present borders. And the longer ago the grievance occurred, the less sense it makes to try to do so.

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    Yet Armenians remember the annexation and I doubt their memory will fade in a hurry...
    Actually, they don't remember the annexation. Unless they're really, really, really old.
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    Re: Armenia and Turkey normalise ties!! Historic accord signed

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post

    Actually, they don't remember the annexation. Unless they're really, really, really old.
    One of the main characteristics of the mentality of the Caucasus is an exceptional genetically inherited memory on real and perceived injustices.

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    Re: Armenia and Turkey normalise ties!! Historic accord signed

    Quote Originally Posted by Elena View Post
    One of the main characteristics of the mentality of the Caucasus is an exceptional genetically inherited memory on real and perceived injustices.
    "genetically inherited memory " ??? Are you serious ? Are you saying that you believ that memory is encoded in the genetic material and transmitted from the prior generation to the next as one would transfer data between to to a computer ?
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    Re: Armenia and Turkey normalise ties!! Historic accord signed

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    "genetically inherited memory " ??? Are you serious ? Are you saying that you believ that memory is encoded in the genetic material and transmitted from the prior generation to the next as one would transfer data between to to a computer ?
    I have seen this before, not specifically with humans, but animals, insects if I recall

    there may be merit here, do not dismiss so quickly

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    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: Armenia and Turkey normalise ties!! Historic accord signed

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    I have seen this before, not specifically with humans, but animals, insects if I recall

    there may be merit here, do not dismiss so quickly
    If is true that animals do things instinctively such as birds migrating and small mamals digging holes to hide from preditor birds but can humans actually transmitt the memory of the Turks committing genocide against the peace loving Armenians ? So I did not have to read, listen to stories my parents told me, or research history because I would have genetically have had the memory of the Russians committing genocide through famine and kill 8 - 10 million Ukrainians ? So you mean I inherated my disdain, distrust, and dislike of Russians genetically ?
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    Re: Armenia and Turkey normalise ties!! Historic accord signed

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    I have seen this before, not specifically with humans, but animals, insects if I recall

    there may be merit here, do not dismiss so quickly
    Yes, there called instincts. Not false political claims.
    Last edited by kaya'08; 10-13-09 at 08:37 AM.
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    Re: Armenia and Turkey normalise ties!! Historic accord signed

    Quote Originally Posted by Elena View Post
    Yes, since 1920, few years after genocide. Yet Armenians remember the annexation and I doubt their memory will fade in a hurry...


    Your a blast!
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    Re: Armenia and Turkey normalise ties!! Historic accord signed

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    "genetically inherited memory " ??? Are you serious ? Are you saying that you believ that memory is encoded in the genetic material and transmitted from the prior generation to the next as one would transfer data between to to a computer ?


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