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    Re: Anti-Olympic signs could mean jail: rights group

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    I just looked it up:

    James Keegstra
    For more details on this topic, see R. v. Keegstra.
    In 1984, James Keegstra, a Canadian high-school teacher, was charged with denying the Holocaust and making antisemitic claims in his classroom as part of the course material. Keegstra and his lawyer, Doug Christie, argued that the section of the Criminal Code of Canada (now section 319{2}), is an infringement of the Charter of Rights (section 9{b}). The case was appealed to the Supreme Court of Canada, where it was decided that the law he was convicted under did infringe on his freedom of expression, but it was a justified infringement. Keegstra was convicted, and fired from his job.[61]

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    Good! I'm glad his ass was fired.

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    Re: Anti-Olympic signs could mean jail: rights group

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    But what if that person was a teacher, and he/she was teaching stuff like the Holocaust didn't exist. How would you deal with this.
    Well, there's a huge difference between saying what you want on the street and then telling lies in a classroom. Common sense has to come into play at some point.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Anti-Olympic signs could mean jail: rights group

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Well, there's a huge difference between saying what you want on the street and then telling lies in a classroom. Common sense has to come into play at some point.
    That's right.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Anti-Olympic signs could mean jail: rights group

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    What if the zerg overran our homebase.
    Mock my post if you will but if the government can make opposition speech to certain groups illegal under the guise in the form of hate speech laws, then who is to say that they will not do the same to other forms of opposition speech? You anti-free speech libs fail to grasp that. Hate speech is still free speech and if you allow your government to ban speech against one thing then you allow them to ban speech against other things.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Anti-Olympic signs could mean jail: rights group

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Mock my post if you will but if the government can make opposition speech to certain groups illegal under the guise in the form of hate speech laws, then who is to say that they will not do the same to other forms of opposition speech? You anti-free speech libs fail to grasp that. Hate speech is still free speech and if you allow your government to ban speech against one thing then you allow them to ban speech against other things.
    So banning hate speech... is in fact banning non-hate speech?

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    Re: Anti-Olympic signs could mean jail: rights group

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    But what if that person was a teacher, and he/she was teaching stuff like the Holocaust didn't exist. How would you deal with this.
    Revisionist history shouldn't be allowed in school no matter who is teaching it, it is not a free speech issue but a issue of an employee failing to do their job right. It would be the equivalent of firing a science teacher for teaching bible classes in public school or a Sunday school teacher in a church for teaching evolution. This is not the same as some wacko going on the street and holding a sign that denied the Holocaust.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Anti-Olympic signs could mean jail: rights group

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    So banning hate speech... is in fact banning non-hate speech?
    You basically gave them permission to do if you accept hate speech laws. If the government labels it hate-speech then it is no longer non-hate speech, it doesn't matter if you do not see it as hate speech.
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    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Anti-Olympic signs could mean jail: rights group

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Do you care if some American video game nerd can beat some Japanese nerd in some sort of video game contest and get a trophy or medal for it, do you care if some American can blow a bugger out of his nose further than some German and get a trophy or medal for it? I could care less if some American in a globalist event can throw a shot put further than someone else or throw a javelin very far.
    I generally do not watch many of the events. However, I am not against the Olympics simply because I get bored of them.
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

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    Re: Anti-Olympic signs could mean jail: rights group

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Oh yeah? Regular Americans are not being tapped? That's news to me.
    I'm talking about banning a form of expression. That would NEVER fly in America. It just wouldn't...

    Other countries like to think that America isn't liberal enough but we have the closest thing to free speech and expression in the world. There's nothing wrong with being proud of that; just like there's nothing wrong with Canadians being proud of UHC.

    And this isn't some anti-Canadian rant, either. I love Canada! Theyre our most intimate ally and if there was a war to end all wars, America and Canada would become one nation until the end; that's a fact. We share geography, history, and culture. Hell, I'd die in the defense of the Canadian homeland! True story...

    But banning a sign? Americans would never tolerate it.


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    Re: Anti-Olympic signs could mean jail: rights group

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Why is this thread becoming an America vs. Canada thing? I posted the article to show how bad the Olympics in general are. Wherever they go, the upper crust gets so anxious to see the dollars flow that they start curtailing rights. It happens everywhere, and it would happen in Chicago too.

    People need to stop seeing the Olympics as a good thing. It's not.
    I'm not trying to attack Canada. You guys are my favs! I'm just saying this would never fly in an American city, especially an uber-liberal one like Chicago. People LOVE demonstrating and marching and protesting in liberal cities and our Constitution's First Amendment vigorously protects free speech. Banning a sign in Chicago!? The civil disobedience would be epic...

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