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Woman who carried gun to daughter's football match found shot and killed

F107HyperSabr said:
I do not have any "inadequacies" and I do not have to dispaly my weapon in public neither with nor without shorts down. But feel free to fantacize about "inadequacies" , short, snd weaapons on public display!!
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Yes, actually you do.

You sit from the comfort of your little keyboard and criticize those that would rather be ready.

You have no room to talk... And what weapons? We're all dreadfully aware that you're just another hoplophobe from here.
 
Coolguy said:
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How do you know when and where a deranged person is going to attack you?
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and if we all have a weapon on display including the deranged how exactly are we all more safe ? That just menas that anyone and everyone can use their weapon at a game, in church, in class, whereevr. yes there are trhose rare times that if someone was armed in church that a pro choice doctor may not have been wiped out but that is a stretch. Just think if everyone in the church where Doc Tillman (?) was killed had a weapon they could all have turned around a fired !! One to two hundred people firing away at someone. Works for me !!
 
F107HyperSabr said:
and if we all have a weapon on display including the deranged how exactly are we all more safe ? That just menas that anyone and everyone can use their weapon at a game, in church, in class, whereevr. yes there are trhose rare times that if someone was armed in church that a pro choice doctor may not have been wiped out but that is a stretch. Just think if everyone in the church where Doc Tillman (?) was killed had a weapon they could all have turned around a fired !! One to two hundred people firing away at someone. Works for me !!
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YES!!!!

Total bull**** stance, they used the same when AZ became a shall issue state.

The only things that I think you missed were... "There would be blood in the streets." "Disputes would be settled like in the old west, with a shootout." "Cops would be dying left and right."

They're all your typical hoplophobic retard argument.
 
F107HyperSabr said:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/08/pennsylvania-soccer-mom-football-daughterWoman who carried gun to daughter's football match found shot and killed

Meleanie Hain wears a loaded Glock 26 to her 5-year-old daughter's football match in Pennsylvania in September 2008. Photo: Jim Zengerle/AP

This is a story still developing and we don't know who killed who and it is very sad.

What bothers me also about this is that this will become a weapon for the anti-gun freaks. Also people like Meleanie Hain are either very stupid, very immature or both. What the hell was her reason to to go armed to a soccor game. ? That just gives gun owners a bad name. That was even more stupid than the asses who carried weapons neat Obama's adrress.

I am a gun owner but I do not have to show off my weapons. If you need a weapon for protection fine you do not need o flaunt it unless you are under iminent threat.
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The fact she chose to exercise her 2nd amendment rights by bearing arms does not make her stupid and is irrelevant to the story.


That Meleanie Hain just had a tea bagger mentality. Sorry that she is dead but she was awfull stupid !!!
STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES --
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More rhetoric irrelevant to the story and the fact she chose to exercise constitutional rights does not make her a teabagger and even if she is teabagger it is still irrelevant to the story.

Owner a firearm does not make you a 2nd amendment advocate especially if you are trying to demonize those who exercise their constitutional right to bear arms.
 
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stevenb said:
Yes, actually you do.

You sit from the comfort of your little keyboard and criticize those that would rather be ready.

You have no room to talk... And what weapons? We're all dreadfully aware that you're just another hoplophobe from here.
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ok go and have your little fantacy about someone who you know not and know nothing about. Even if I posted my Connecticut State Permit to Carry you would still have your little fanatacy just like the birthers do ab out Obama.

LMTFA YANWOAFR
 
stevenb said:
They gave us the second amendment to protect ourselves. It is not our fault that some, like yourself would rather "believe" that nothing bad will happen at a soccer game.. to and or from.
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Generally i would expect something bad to happen from the people who are unusually fascinated with weapons.

As this story clearly illustrates, the people you know and trust are often a much bigger threat than strangers. She was prepared for the random intruder, but oblivious to the nutjob she married. Good judgment goes a lot farther in ensuring safety than carrying a weapon.
 
The woman had the legal right to bring her gun to the game. Just like she had the legal right to call the other kids mom's whores under her first amendment rights. Having a right to something doesn't mean it is always a good idea. Under both cases, you would face being ejected by the ref for disrupting the game.

I fail to see how her previous actions have anything to do with her death. Her husband is the man at issue here.
 
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jamesrage said:
The fact she chose to exercise her 2nd amendment rights by bearing arms does it make her stupid is irrelevant to the story.




More rhetoric irrelevant to the story and the fact she chose to exercise constitutional rights does not make her a teabagger and even if she is teabagger it is still irrelevant to the story.

Owner a firearm does not make you a 2nd amendment advocate especially if you are trying to demonize those who exercise their constitutional right to bear arms.
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QUITE the contrary !! Rediculous and unwarranted displays of firearms do more harm to the 2nd amendment than rediculous anti-gun freaks.

Where do you see any "anti- end amendment rhetotic" from me ?

My rhetoric is against stupid peoople!!
 
F107HyperSabr said:
If she was under a threat or in "harms way" ok if you really need to dter a known threat but I forgot the deatils yet memory tells me that Hahn was not under a direct threat.
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I think what I said went over your head,so let me rephrase it.

I think our country is at elevated threat awareness levels right now,which means to me that something could happen at any time.
God forbid if something like this should happen.
But if something did happened and she was armed at the time and stopped it from happening how would you feel then,or would you rather people were killed till the police showed up and stopped it.
Riding a fence or sword cuts both ways.
 
cascadian said:
Generally i would expect something bad to happen from the people who are unusually fascinated with weapons.

As this story clearly illustrates, the people you know and trust are often a much bigger threat than strangers. She was prepared for the random intruder, but oblivious to the nutjob she married. Good judgment goes a lot farther in ensuring safety than carrying a weapon.
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EXCELLENT WELL STATED arguement !!! You made your point without resorting to the childish accusations or juniorhighschool falacious accusations of some fantacy phobia..

There are those of us gun owners and/ or hunters who are reasonable in our use and isplay of weapons who do not need to brag that we have carry permits and we do not need to display our adequacies in public.
 
F107HyperSabr said:
QUITE the contrary !! Rediculous and unwarranted displays of firearms do more harm to the 2nd amendment than rediculous anti-gun freaks.
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Wrong it is two things that a threat to 2nd amendment rights-

1.Anti-2nd amendment Morons who think that somehow taking away or severely restricting the right to keep and bear arms will somehow protect them from a group of people who the first place do not obey the law.

2.Those in government who wish to take away rights and try to accomplish this by preying on the anti-2nd amendment morons.


Where do you see any "anti- end amendment rhetotic" from me ?

My rhetoric is against stupid peoople!!
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Obviously you have a problem with the right to bear arms, that makes you anti-2nd amendment.
 
jamesrage said:
Wrong it is two things that a threat to 2nd amendment rights-

1.Anti-2nd amendment Morons who think that somehow taking away or severely restricting the right to keep and bear arms will somehow protect them from a group of people who the first place do not obey the law.

2.Those in government who wish to take away rights and try to accomplish this by preying on the anti-2nd amendment morons.




Obviously you have a problem with the right to bear arms, that makes you anti-2nd amendment.
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You really must be addressing someone else becasue I do not see where I have made any "anti-second admendment" noise.

An adult perspective instead of projecting whatever accusatory phrase that comes from a person's mind would better serve the rights of those of us who believe in the 2nd ademndment. But you can live your world .. the first amendment gives you that right and served our country to sustain it for you.
 
F107HyperSabr said:
EXCELLENT WELL STATED arguement !!! You made your point without resorting to the childish accusations or juniorhighschool falacious accusations of some fantacy phobia.
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You are going to whine about childish accusations or fallacious accusations when you basically started the thread calling the murder victim a idiot because she exercised her constitutional right.

There are those of us gun owners and/ or hunters who are reasonable in our use and isplay of weapons who do not need to brag that we have carry permits and we do not need to display our adequacies in public
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Owning a gun does not make you pro-2nd amendment. Calling people idiots for exercising their constitutional rights and having a problem with the fact she beard her arms openly in a murder suicide thread makes you anti-2nd amendment loon.



BTW firefox has a spell check, there is no shame in using it.
 
rathi said:
The woman had the legal right to bring her gun to the game. Just like she had the legal right to call the other kids mom's whores under her first amendment rights. Having a right to something doesn't mean it is always a good idea. Under both cases, you would face being ejected by the ref for disrupting the game.

I fail to see how her previous actions have anything to do with her death. Her husband is the man at issue here.
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It is true that it may be her husband who may have done her in but the story is connected due to the irony angle.

You stated very well and intelligently that someone can have the right to carry and display but I shall endorse your concluding statement that "Having a right to something doesn't mean it is always a good idea. ".

That is why I feel her death is a part of her story. If she did not gain the noteriety of what I understand was gratuuitous display of a weapon her unfortunate death now would be nothing more than a a minor bump in the local road where she lived. Her death would have been WGAS !!!
 
1) Let's not blame the husband too much on this yet. He could've been acting under extreme emotional stress, protecting himself (but felt guilty afterwards because his children saw the aftermath), or just had a crazy wife. It's at least partially his fault, it seems, but let's not put all the blame on him until after we get the facts.

2) I can see it now in a small southern town. Person A shoots Person B. Person B's friend shoots Person A. Oh snap, Person A's friend shoots Person B's friend. Whole town is wiped out.
 
jamesrage said:
You are going to whine about childish accusations or fallacious accusations when you basically started the thread calling the murder victim a idiot because she exercised her constitutional right.




Owning a gun does not make you pro-2nd amendment. Calling people idiots for exercising their constitutional rights and having a problem with the fact she beard her arms openly in a murder suicide thread makes you anti-2nd amendment loon.



BTW firefox has a spell check, there is no shame in using it.
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:bravo:

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jamesrage said:
Owning a gun does not make you pro-2nd amendment. Calling people idiots for exercising their constitutional rights and having a problem with the fact she beard her arms openly in a murder suicide thread makes you anti-2nd amendment loon.
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"Exercising a right" doesn't prevent you from being an idiot at the same time.

I suppose I could carry my guitar to work, lunch, the movies, parties and other social events in the hopes that some day some record executive type would discover me. I'm well within my rights to do so, and technically it is a possibility, but it would also show that I didn't have a good grasp on reality.
 
F107HyperSabr said:
ok go and have your little fantacy about someone who you know not and know nothing about. Even if I posted my Connecticut State Permit to Carry you would still have your little fanatacy just like the birthers do ab out Obama.

LMTFA YANWOAFR
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You're still anti-second amendment. You could post all the neat **** that you have too, and I'd still not care.. as far as I'm concerned you're just as bad as the gun grabbers themselves... ****, as far as I'm concerned, you are one.

cascadian said:
Generally i would expect something bad to happen from the people who are unusually fascinated with weapons.

As this story clearly illustrates, the people you know and trust are often a much bigger threat than strangers. She was prepared for the random intruder, but oblivious to the nutjob she married. Good judgment goes a lot farther in ensuring safety than carrying a weapon.
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You would expect something bad to happen from someone who was fascinated with weapons.

Could the same be said about those who are fascinated with Hitler and the second world war? Could they turn into Hitler and start killing jews again.. because they collect memorabilia?

Your ASSUMPTION is absurd, at best.

cascadian said:
"Exercising a right" doesn't prevent you from being an idiot at the same time.

I suppose I could carry my guitar to work, lunch, the movies, parties and other social events in the hopes that some day some record executive type would discover me. I'm well within my rights to do so, and technically it is a possibility, but it would also show that I didn't have a good grasp on reality.
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If you honestly believed that'd happen, why shouldn't you?

I honestly believe that at any time I could be subject to violent crime... Why? Because violent crime happens irregardless of "gun free zones" or location. It makes sense to carry an appropriate tool to protect one's self in theory at all times.

Does it not?
 
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stevenb said:
You would expect something bad to happen from someone who was fascinated with weapons.

Could the same be said about those who are fascinated with Hitler and the second world war? Could they turn into Hitler and start killing jews again.. because they collect memorabilia?
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Well if they happened to wear nazi regalia in public along with maybe some firearms, I could understand why quite a few people would suspect that person would do something unsavory.

People carry guns precisely for the reason that it makes them more dangerous. It's up to everyone else to decide whether or not we trust their judgment to use it appropriately. The more poor judgment they show, the less I trust them.

stevenb said:
If you honestly believed that'd happen, why shouldn't you?
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The question is whether my beliefs would appear to be grounded in reality. I have absolutely no problem with people carrying guitars around for that reason. I would just think they were kind of well...nutty.
stevenb said:
I honestly believe that at any time I could be subject to violent crime... Why? Because violent crime happens irregardless of "gun free zones" or location. It makes sense to carry an appropriate tool to protect one's self in theory at all times.

Does it not?
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If that makes you feel safer, I doubt I can argue you out of it. I suppose you could also wear a crash helmet and full body padding while you walk around the street, because you don't have to be in a car to get run over. You actually might be safer, but I still think it's nutty.

My point is that I don't feel safer around you just because you *say* you're carrying it for protection. Why should I trust you, if you carry a gun in apparently innocuous settings where there doesn't appear to be any immediate threat? You're basically waving a sign saying "not only am I dangerous, but I'm paranoid too!"
 
cascadian said:
Well if they happened to wear nazi regalia in public along with maybe some firearms, I could understand why quite a few people would suspect that person would do something unsavory.

People carry guns precisely for the reason that it makes them more dangerous. It's up to everyone else to decide whether or not we trust their judgment to use it appropriately. The more poor judgment they show, the less I trust them.

The question is whether my beliefs would appear to be grounded in reality. I have absolutely no problem with people carrying guitars around for that reason. I would just think they were kind of well...nutty.
If that makes you feel safer, I doubt I can argue you out of it. I suppose you could also wear a crash helmet and full body padding while you walk around the street, because you don't have to be in a car to get run over. You actually might be safer, but I still think it's nutty.

My point is that I don't feel safer around you just because you *say* you're carrying it for protection. Why should I trust you, if you carry a gun in apparently innocuous settings where there doesn't appear to be any immediate threat? You're basically waving a sign saying "not only am I dangerous, but I'm paranoid too!"
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That's the difference.

You see a paranoid "nut" and I see someone exercising their right to bear arms.


Putting guns out of sight and out of mind does nothing to strengthen and defend our rights to keep and bear arms... it only serves to disarm the public... when everyone freaks out about someone legally carrying their firearm.


I'm a CCW holder and carry concealed *EVERYWHERE*... I don't like the idea of open carry because it makes me a target to would be criminals.

To be honest, I don't trust you either.. but until you do something to violate my rights... I cannot nor will I try and take away / question your's... It's called respect and minding my own business.
 
cascadian said:
"Exercising a right" doesn't prevent you from being an idiot at the same time.
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So you equate bearing arms to idiocy? Wouldn't that be like calling the act(not the topic of the protest) of holding a sign and protesting to idiocy?

I suppose I could carry my guitar to work, lunch, the movies, parties and other social events in the hopes that some day some record executive type would discover me. I'm well within my rights to do so, and technically it is a possibility, but it would also show that I didn't have a good grasp on reality.
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I guess since people have been so *****fied so much that the mere sight of a gun frightens them. The mere sight of a guitar would bother no one nor would it shock anyone.
 
jamesrage said:
You are going to whine about childish accusations or fallacious accusations when you basically started the thread calling the murder victim a idiot because she exercised her constitutional right.




Owning a gun does not make you pro-2nd amendment. Calling people idiots for exercising their constitutional rights and having a problem with the fact she beard her arms openly in a murder suicide thread makes you anti-2nd amendment loon.



BTW firefox has a spell check, there is no shame in using it.
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I did NOT call her an idiot because exercised her constitutional right I called her an idiot becasue I did not see any documented logical reason why she needed to display her weapon at a kids socer game. Just becasue we have a right to do something doesn't mean that we have to especially if it is innapropriate.

The diference between your approach to "debate" is that I have not called another poster names but I did not. Yet I believe in adult level debates and other do not.
 
stevenb said:
You're still anti-second amendment. You could post all the neat **** that you have too, and I'd still not care.. as far as I'm concerned you're just as bad as the gun grabbers themselves... ****, as far as I'm concerned, you are one.Does it not?
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Well WHATEVER !! You have the right to be wrong and you excerize that right very well so congratulations.
 
stevenb said:
You're still anti-second amendment. You could post all the neat **** that you have too, and I'd still not care.. as far as I'm concerned you're just as bad as the gun grabbers themselves... ****, as far as I'm concerned, you are one.Does it not?
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Well WHATEVER !! You have the right to be wrong and you have shown through your posts that your excercize that right very well so congratulations.
 
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