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Woman who carried gun to daughter's football match found shot and killed

I have no problem with guns I own them and I have a permit to carry. I just don't like people showing or flaunting guns just becasue they can. The right to bear arms is near sacred and it should not be depreciated by bufoons.

imo, you're the worst type of gun owner.

"it's a right, but it shouldn't be a visible right."

Get the **** over yourself.
 
yes they said that she and her husband were having some problem so this looks like a domestic. Sadly they had three children who are now without parents. Not only was she stupid but she and maybe her husband were centered jerks who have hurt their own children emotionally for life.

What the bufoonette woman was saying at that soccor game was Oh look at me " I have a Gl0ck " , "ain't I just so cool".

I do not think that the founding fathers envisioned an idiot like that Hahn woman to use the 2nd admendment soley to display her weapon at a children's game. She and other bufoons have and are doing more harm to the 2nd ademndment by acting like morons than the anti- gun freakbags.

Well actually, it's not as if she was going around brandishing the gun, pulling it out, pointing it at things. She had it in a hip-holster. Yes, it was visible, but it wasn't really like she was showing it off like a new toy. The original story said that she carried it like that everywhere.

And I have to disagree with you about who the founding fathers would have envisioned as an idiot. Especially if you disregard the fact that she was a woman. During the time of our founding fathers, it was not uncommon at all for men, and even a few women, to walk around with an openly displayed, holstered pistol. Even after the war was over. Think about the old west. If the founding fathers had a problem with this, they could have included some sort of caveat into the 2nd Amendment concerning public displays of weapons in peacetime.
 
A gun is not an adequate protection.


You also need to train, and train often.


We don't rise to our levels of expectation, but fall to the level of our training.
 
imo, you're the worst type of gun owner.

"it's a right, but it shouldn't be a visible right."

Get the **** over yourself.

There is a difference between carrying a weapon and displaying it because you are under a threat and just carrying a weapon and displaying it just because you want to be a 6 year old with a 40 year old body. There is nothing gained for the acceptance and continued support of the 2nd amendment if you are carrying and showing because you are a yahoo.

People who display just for the sake of displaying must be short of something in their life and /or character. They really must have a visual version of a Napoleon complex.
 
A gun is not an adequate protection.

You also need to train, and train often.

We don't rise to our levels of expectation, but fall to the level of our training.

Absolutely correct. A gun is called a deadly weapon for a reason and that is that it can deliver death. It is a tool and lke all tools you need to be competent in using it or you can hurt others such as loved ones who you are supposed to be protecting.

A weapon is not a stage prop or oart of a Holloweenie costum.

If I may add to your logical and intelligent post you also need to know and practice gun safety.

I follow gun use rules very strictly and one of the most important ones is you never hand a weapon to anyone without checking to make sure it is not loaded. Unless of course you are shooting skeet and it is your turn to load. Even at that I always practice the rule that I tell the person that it is loaded even if he just watched me load it. Yes that sounds anal but the people who I practice with or hunt with have not had even a near accident.
 
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Well actually, it's not as if she was going around brandishing the gun, pulling it out, pointing it at things. She had it in a hip-holster. Yes, it was visible, but it wasn't really like she was showing it off like a new toy. The original story said that she carried it like that everywhere.

And I have to disagree with you about who the founding fathers would have envisioned as an idiot. Especially if you disregard the fact that she was a woman. During the time of our founding fathers, it was not uncommon at all for men, and even a few women, to walk around with an openly displayed, holstered pistol. Even after the war was over. Think about the old west. If the founding fathers had a problem with this, they could have included some sort of caveat into the 2nd Amendment concerning public displays of weapons in peacetime.

She was a bufoon not becasue she was a woman she was a bufoon because of her actions. IT's as a neighbor of hers said "She was not right ". Why becasue she carried a weapon while shopping at Kohls's ( a POPULAR woman's department store in the Noerteast).

Ok you have a right to drive a car and play your stereo if you want to. You can ( sans any anti-noise laws) play your srereo as bleeping loud as you want. Yet should you do that ?

The reasonable non bufoon type person will not. Then there are the others.
 
She was a bufoon not becasue she was a woman she was a bufoon because of her actions. IT's as a neighbor of hers said "She was not right ". Why becasue she carried a weapon while shopping at Kohls's ( a POPULAR woman's department store in the Noerteast).

Ok you have a right to drive a car and play your stereo if you want to. You can ( sans any anti-noise laws) play your srereo as bleeping loud as you want. Yet should you do that ?

The reasonable non bufoon type person will not. Then there are the others.

You didn't seem to address most of my post. For starters, I said to disregard the fact that she was a woman because, in the 1800s, our founding father's time, women were most definitely second class citizens. At least some, if not most of the founding fathers, were probably sexist, so I'm not really sure how they would have felt about her carrying the gun only because she's a woman. However, if you disregard her gender and envision what the founding fathers would have thought about a citizen carrying a holstered pistol to a kids' sporting event, they probably would not have thought anything bad at all about the person. They most likely would have figured that it was being carried as protection, which is the truth.

Personally, I'd be much more concerned about people who are carrying concealed then the person carrying their gun visibly in a holster. At least I can see who has a gun when it's carried like she did.

As for the neighbor's comment that she wasn't right, that really doesn't mean a whole lot. If someone doesn't like guns, then they could have said it about her just for her carrying a gun. Also, who knows what her neighbors were like. Judging a person from what the neighbors say does not necessarily mean that you are getting an accurate description. I have had plenty of neighbors say that my family "wasn't quite right", that doesn't make it true.
 
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I have no problem with guns I own them and I have a permit to carry. I just don't like people showing or flaunting guns just becasue they can. The right to bear arms is near sacred and it should not be depreciated by bufoons.

There's nothing wrong with carrying open.
 
She was a bufoon not becasue she was a woman she was a bufoon because of her actions. IT's as a neighbor of hers said "She was not right ". Why becasue she carried a weapon while shopping at Kohls's ( a POPULAR woman's department store in the Noerteast).

What about a clothing store makes it an inappropriate place to carry?

Government buildings I get.

Prisons I get.

A mall...not so much.
 
Absolutely correct. A gun is called a deadly weapon for a reason and that is that it can deliver death. It is a tool and lke all tools you need to be competent in using it or you can hurt others such as loved ones who you are supposed to be protecting.

A weapon is not a stage prop or oart of a Holloweenie costum.

If I may add to your logical and intelligent post you also need to know and practice gun safety.

I follow gun use rules very strictly and one of the most important ones is you never hand a weapon to anyone without checking to make sure it is not loaded. Unless of course you are shooting skeet and it is your turn to load. Even at that I always practice the rule that I tell the person that it is loaded even if he just watched me load it. Yes that sounds anal but the people who I practice with or hunt with have not had even a near accident.


Gun saftey is 10% of training. 90% is how and when to shoot.


never point a gun at anything you don't want to destroy.


If someone hands you a gun, check it yourself.
 
What about a clothing store makes it an inappropriate place to carry?

Government buildings I get.

Prisons I get.

A mall...not so much.

This guy is dense.

According to him, guns are meant to be acquired and stuck in a safe for safe-keeping.. and never brought out. Cause it's "classless".

Don't bother asking him for factual evidence why his stance is his stance, cause he'll just go on about buffoons and idiots and other lib backspeak.
 
This guy is dense.

According to him, guns are meant to be acquired and stuck in a safe for safe-keeping.. and never brought out. Cause it's "classless".

Don't bother asking him for factual evidence why his stance is his stance, cause he'll just go on about buffoons and idiots and other lib backspeak.

So instead of presenting a logical intelligent position you just go off calling other members names. Nice !!!
 
There's nothing wrong with carrying open.

Didn't say there was. There is a time and a place and a reason to carry open and to display. Displaying for the sake of just displaying is actually counter productive.

You who is normally an intelligent reasonable poster and those other guys seem to have a problem with my position on gun ownership since I am not an absolutist and I am not extreme. You are trying to paint me into a picture of one of those anti-gun freakzoids who wants to ban all guns. You and the other boys seem to be very frustrated because I am a gun owner but I do not expound with the silly assed notion that we all need to carry exposed guns at all times just because we can and just because we want to even if we do not always need to.

My position of exercising the 2nd amendment is that you own a gun if you want one and to carry exposed if you need to. EOS!!!!
 
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Didn't say there was. There is a time and a place and a reason to carry open and to display. Displaying for the sake of just displaying is actually counter productive.

You who is normally an intelligent reasonable poster and those other guys seem to have a problem with my position on gun ownership since I am not an absolutist and I am not extreme. You are trying to paint me into a picture of one of those anti-gun freakzoids who wants to ban all guns. You and the other boys seem to be very frustrated because I am a gun owner but I do not expound with the silly assed notion that we all need to carry exposed guns at all times just because we can and just because we want to even if we do not always need to.

My position of exercising the 2nd amendment is that you own a gun if you want one and to carry exposed if you need to. EOS!!!!

From where I'm standing, the problem is the people who have a reaction to seeing a weapon, as the person with the weapon is the one in control of themselves while the reactor is the one out of control.
 
From where I'm standing, the problem is the people who have a reaction to seeing a weapon, as the person with the weapon is the one in control of themselves while the reactor is the one out of control.

The way I see it is that a gratuitouis display of a weapon indicates that the person is not in control of their emotions or as I stated in another post they have a NAPOLEONIC COMPLEX. They are small in some way and this exposed weapon gives them a sense of importance or bravado. It's like shouting "hey look at me I got a gun, ain't I just the coolest ".
 
I've read the literature available from the open-carry advocates.

I have considerable sympathy for their cause... IMO the right to open carry without a permit is a proper expression of 2A rights.

However... this isn't commonplace in most areas, and anyone who does it has to realize that they're bucking social custom at the very least, and if they're not very well-informed on the letter of the law they could find themselves in hot water.

I have a concealed-carry permit. I carry a gun everywhere that it is lawful for me to carry it, because criminals do not send me advance notice of when or where they might attack. I keep my pistol concealed, because that is what my carry permit says and because it is tactically advantageous that a potential attacker not realize I am armed until it is too late for him to adjust his own tactics.

Also, carrying concealed avoids the social awkwardness of scaring half the people you come into contact with. I simply don't care to be a magnet for that sort of attention or have ten arguments a day about whether I'm within the bounds of the law and reason or not. What I have the right to do and what is wise to do are not always the same thing; I'm just not much of an "in your face!" type of person I suppose.

I see people open-carrying sometimes, and it doesn't bother me. I don't necessarily see them as "gun nuts". However, as things stand in our society at the moment I consider it less advisable than concealed carry in most circumstances.

There are so many reasons that concealed carry is typically more effective from a purely self-defense motivated standpoint that I could go on about it at length. For one thing, a properly concealed firearm avoids the "what if someone grabs your gun" question. They aren't going to grab what they don't know is there.

In this particular case, I don't know that the woman's open-carry habits had any link at all to the whole murder-suicide thing...there doesn't appear to be any connection.

G.
 
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The way I see it is that a gratuitouis display of a weapon indicates that the person is not in control of their emotions or as I stated in another post they have a NAPOLEONIC COMPLEX. They are small in some way and this exposed weapon gives them a sense of importance or bravado. It's like shouting "hey look at me I got a gun, ain't I just the coolest ".

I think that you're correct when you're taking about someone carrying open to a town-hall protest down the street from where the president will be. However the average citizen carrying open does so as a mere display of force. The message is "don't **** with me", like a brightly colored animal in the wiled.
 
So instead of presenting a logical intelligent position you just go off calling other members names. Nice !!!

pot->kettle.

You've presented nothing but exaggerated opinion.

My stance of, "it's their right, they're breaking no laws" is founded in truth.

Your's is.. well.. idiotic.
 
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