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    Re: Woman who carried gun to daughter's football match found shot and killed

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    They gave us the second amendment to protect ourselves. It is not our fault that some, like yourself would rather "believe" that nothing bad will happen at a soccer game.. to and or from.
    Generally i would expect something bad to happen from the people who are unusually fascinated with weapons.

    As this story clearly illustrates, the people you know and trust are often a much bigger threat than strangers. She was prepared for the random intruder, but oblivious to the nutjob she married. Good judgment goes a lot farther in ensuring safety than carrying a weapon.

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    Re: Woman who carried gun to daughter's football match found shot and killed

    The woman had the legal right to bring her gun to the game. Just like she had the legal right to call the other kids mom's whores under her first amendment rights. Having a right to something doesn't mean it is always a good idea. Under both cases, you would face being ejected by the ref for disrupting the game.

    I fail to see how her previous actions have anything to do with her death. Her husband is the man at issue here.
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    Re: Woman who carried gun to daughter's football match found shot and killed

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The fact she chose to exercise her 2nd amendment rights by bearing arms does it make her stupid is irrelevant to the story.




    More rhetoric irrelevant to the story and the fact she chose to exercise constitutional rights does not make her a teabagger and even if she is teabagger it is still irrelevant to the story.

    Owner a firearm does not make you a 2nd amendment advocate especially if you are trying to demonize those who exercise their constitutional right to bear arms.
    QUITE the contrary !! Rediculous and unwarranted displays of firearms do more harm to the 2nd amendment than rediculous anti-gun freaks.

    Where do you see any "anti- end amendment rhetotic" from me ?

    My rhetoric is against stupid peoople!!
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    Re: Woman who carried gun to daughter's football match found shot and killed

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    If she was under a threat or in "harms way" ok if you really need to dter a known threat but I forgot the deatils yet memory tells me that Hahn was not under a direct threat.
    I think what I said went over your head,so let me rephrase it.

    I think our country is at elevated threat awareness levels right now,which means to me that something could happen at any time.
    God forbid if something like this should happen.
    But if something did happened and she was armed at the time and stopped it from happening how would you feel then,or would you rather people were killed till the police showed up and stopped it.
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    Re: Woman who carried gun to daughter's football match found shot and killed

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    ... unwarranted displays of firearms do more harm to the 2nd amendment ...
    Only to those who are anti-Amendment.

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    Re: Woman who carried gun to daughter's football match found shot and killed

    Quote Originally Posted by cascadian View Post
    Generally i would expect something bad to happen from the people who are unusually fascinated with weapons.

    As this story clearly illustrates, the people you know and trust are often a much bigger threat than strangers. She was prepared for the random intruder, but oblivious to the nutjob she married. Good judgment goes a lot farther in ensuring safety than carrying a weapon.
    EXCELLENT WELL STATED arguement !!! You made your point without resorting to the childish accusations or juniorhighschool falacious accusations of some fantacy phobia..

    There are those of us gun owners and/ or hunters who are reasonable in our use and isplay of weapons who do not need to brag that we have carry permits and we do not need to display our adequacies in public.
    I do not recall the Viet Cong asking me if I was a natural born or Naturalized American before they shot at me, they just shot at all of us f107HyperSabr

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    Re: Woman who carried gun to daughter's football match found shot and killed

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    QUITE the contrary !! Rediculous and unwarranted displays of firearms do more harm to the 2nd amendment than rediculous anti-gun freaks.
    Wrong it is two things that a threat to 2nd amendment rights-

    1.Anti-2nd amendment Morons who think that somehow taking away or severely restricting the right to keep and bear arms will somehow protect them from a group of people who the first place do not obey the law.

    2.Those in government who wish to take away rights and try to accomplish this by preying on the anti-2nd amendment morons.



    Where do you see any "anti- end amendment rhetotic" from me ?

    My rhetoric is against stupid peoople!!
    Obviously you have a problem with the right to bear arms, that makes you anti-2nd amendment.
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    Re: Woman who carried gun to daughter's football match found shot and killed

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Wrong it is two things that a threat to 2nd amendment rights-

    1.Anti-2nd amendment Morons who think that somehow taking away or severely restricting the right to keep and bear arms will somehow protect them from a group of people who the first place do not obey the law.

    2.Those in government who wish to take away rights and try to accomplish this by preying on the anti-2nd amendment morons.




    Obviously you have a problem with the right to bear arms, that makes you anti-2nd amendment.
    You really must be addressing someone else becasue I do not see where I have made any "anti-second admendment" noise.

    An adult perspective instead of projecting whatever accusatory phrase that comes from a person's mind would better serve the rights of those of us who believe in the 2nd ademndment. But you can live your world .. the first amendment gives you that right and served our country to sustain it for you.
    I do not recall the Viet Cong asking me if I was a natural born or Naturalized American before they shot at me, they just shot at all of us f107HyperSabr

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    Re: Woman who carried gun to daughter's football match found shot and killed

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    EXCELLENT WELL STATED arguement !!! You made your point without resorting to the childish accusations or juniorhighschool falacious accusations of some fantacy phobia.
    You are going to whine about childish accusations or fallacious accusations when you basically started the thread calling the murder victim a idiot because she exercised her constitutional right.

    There are those of us gun owners and/ or hunters who are reasonable in our use and isplay of weapons who do not need to brag that we have carry permits and we do not need to display our adequacies in public

    Owning a gun does not make you pro-2nd amendment. Calling people idiots for exercising their constitutional rights and having a problem with the fact she beard her arms openly in a murder suicide thread makes you anti-2nd amendment loon.



    BTW firefox has a spell check, there is no shame in using it.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Woman who carried gun to daughter's football match found shot and killed

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The woman had the legal right to bring her gun to the game. Just like she had the legal right to call the other kids mom's whores under her first amendment rights. Having a right to something doesn't mean it is always a good idea. Under both cases, you would face being ejected by the ref for disrupting the game.

    I fail to see how her previous actions have anything to do with her death. Her husband is the man at issue here.
    It is true that it may be her husband who may have done her in but the story is connected due to the irony angle.

    You stated very well and intelligently that someone can have the right to carry and display but I shall endorse your concluding statement that "Having a right to something doesn't mean it is always a good idea. ".

    That is why I feel her death is a part of her story. If she did not gain the noteriety of what I understand was gratuuitous display of a weapon her unfortunate death now would be nothing more than a a minor bump in the local road where she lived. Her death would have been WGAS !!!
    I do not recall the Viet Cong asking me if I was a natural born or Naturalized American before they shot at me, they just shot at all of us f107HyperSabr

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