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    Re: Woman who carried gun to daughter's football match found shot and killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    What about a clothing store makes it an inappropriate place to carry?

    Government buildings I get.

    Prisons I get.

    A mall...not so much.
    This guy is dense.

    According to him, guns are meant to be acquired and stuck in a safe for safe-keeping.. and never brought out. Cause it's "classless".

    Don't bother asking him for factual evidence why his stance is his stance, cause he'll just go on about buffoons and idiots and other lib backspeak.
    George Washington didn't use his freedom of speech to win the war with Britain... He shot them.

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    Re: Woman who carried gun to daughter's football match found shot and killed

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    This guy is dense.

    According to him, guns are meant to be acquired and stuck in a safe for safe-keeping.. and never brought out. Cause it's "classless".

    Don't bother asking him for factual evidence why his stance is his stance, cause he'll just go on about buffoons and idiots and other lib backspeak.
    So instead of presenting a logical intelligent position you just go off calling other members names. Nice !!!
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    Re: Woman who carried gun to daughter's football match found shot and killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    There's nothing wrong with carrying open.
    Didn't say there was. There is a time and a place and a reason to carry open and to display. Displaying for the sake of just displaying is actually counter productive.

    You who is normally an intelligent reasonable poster and those other guys seem to have a problem with my position on gun ownership since I am not an absolutist and I am not extreme. You are trying to paint me into a picture of one of those anti-gun freakzoids who wants to ban all guns. You and the other boys seem to be very frustrated because I am a gun owner but I do not expound with the silly assed notion that we all need to carry exposed guns at all times just because we can and just because we want to even if we do not always need to.

    My position of exercising the 2nd amendment is that you own a gun if you want one and to carry exposed if you need to. EOS!!!!
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    Re: Woman who carried gun to daughter's football match found shot and killed

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    Didn't say there was. There is a time and a place and a reason to carry open and to display. Displaying for the sake of just displaying is actually counter productive.

    You who is normally an intelligent reasonable poster and those other guys seem to have a problem with my position on gun ownership since I am not an absolutist and I am not extreme. You are trying to paint me into a picture of one of those anti-gun freakzoids who wants to ban all guns. You and the other boys seem to be very frustrated because I am a gun owner but I do not expound with the silly assed notion that we all need to carry exposed guns at all times just because we can and just because we want to even if we do not always need to.

    My position of exercising the 2nd amendment is that you own a gun if you want one and to carry exposed if you need to. EOS!!!!
    From where I'm standing, the problem is the people who have a reaction to seeing a weapon, as the person with the weapon is the one in control of themselves while the reactor is the one out of control.

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    Re: Woman who carried gun to daughter's football match found shot and killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    From where I'm standing, the problem is the people who have a reaction to seeing a weapon, as the person with the weapon is the one in control of themselves while the reactor is the one out of control.
    The way I see it is that a gratuitouis display of a weapon indicates that the person is not in control of their emotions or as I stated in another post they have a NAPOLEONIC COMPLEX. They are small in some way and this exposed weapon gives them a sense of importance or bravado. It's like shouting "hey look at me I got a gun, ain't I just the coolest ".
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    Re: Woman who carried gun to daughter's football match found shot and killed

    I've read the literature available from the open-carry advocates.

    I have considerable sympathy for their cause... IMO the right to open carry without a permit is a proper expression of 2A rights.

    However... this isn't commonplace in most areas, and anyone who does it has to realize that they're bucking social custom at the very least, and if they're not very well-informed on the letter of the law they could find themselves in hot water.

    I have a concealed-carry permit. I carry a gun everywhere that it is lawful for me to carry it, because criminals do not send me advance notice of when or where they might attack. I keep my pistol concealed, because that is what my carry permit says and because it is tactically advantageous that a potential attacker not realize I am armed until it is too late for him to adjust his own tactics.

    Also, carrying concealed avoids the social awkwardness of scaring half the people you come into contact with. I simply don't care to be a magnet for that sort of attention or have ten arguments a day about whether I'm within the bounds of the law and reason or not. What I have the right to do and what is wise to do are not always the same thing; I'm just not much of an "in your face!" type of person I suppose.

    I see people open-carrying sometimes, and it doesn't bother me. I don't necessarily see them as "gun nuts". However, as things stand in our society at the moment I consider it less advisable than concealed carry in most circumstances.

    There are so many reasons that concealed carry is typically more effective from a purely self-defense motivated standpoint that I could go on about it at length. For one thing, a properly concealed firearm avoids the "what if someone grabs your gun" question. They aren't going to grab what they don't know is there.

    In this particular case, I don't know that the woman's open-carry habits had any link at all to the whole murder-suicide thing...there doesn't appear to be any connection.

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    Re: Woman who carried gun to daughter's football match found shot and killed

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    The way I see it is that a gratuitouis display of a weapon indicates that the person is not in control of their emotions or as I stated in another post they have a NAPOLEONIC COMPLEX. They are small in some way and this exposed weapon gives them a sense of importance or bravado. It's like shouting "hey look at me I got a gun, ain't I just the coolest ".
    I think that you're correct when you're taking about someone carrying open to a town-hall protest down the street from where the president will be. However the average citizen carrying open does so as a mere display of force. The message is "don't **** with me", like a brightly colored animal in the wiled.

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    Re: Woman who carried gun to daughter's football match found shot and killed

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    So instead of presenting a logical intelligent position you just go off calling other members names. Nice !!!
    pot->kettle.

    You've presented nothing but exaggerated opinion.

    My stance of, "it's their right, they're breaking no laws" is founded in truth.

    Your's is.. well.. idiotic.
    George Washington didn't use his freedom of speech to win the war with Britain... He shot them.

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