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    American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

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    American soldiers serving in Afghanistan are depressed and deeply disillusioned, according to the chaplains of two US battalions that have spent nine months on the front line in the war against the Taleban.
    Many feel that they are risking their lives — and that colleagues have died — for a futile mission and an Afghan population that does nothing to help them, the chaplains told The Times in their makeshift chapel on this fortress-like base in a dusty, brown valley southwest of Kabul.
    “The many soldiers who come to see us have a sense of futility and anger about being here. They are really in a state of depression and despair and just want to get back to their families,” said Captain Jeff Masengale, of the 10th Mountain Division’s 2-87 Infantry Battalion.
    “They feel they are risking their lives for progress that’s hard to discern,” said Captain Sam Rico, of the Division’s 4-25 Field Artillery Battalion. “They are tired, strained, confused and just want to get through.” The chaplains said that they were speaking out because the men could not.
    The base is not, it has to be said, obviously downcast, and many troops do not share the chaplains’ assessment. The soldiers are, by nature and training, upbeat, driven by a strong sense of duty, and they do their jobs as best they can. Re-enlistment rates are surprisingly good for the 2-87, though poor for the 4-25. Several men approached by The Times, however, readily admitted that their morale had slumped.
    “We’re lost — that’s how I feel. I’m not exactly sure why we’re here,” said Specialist Raquime Mercer, 20, whose closest friend was shot dead by a renegade Afghan policeman last Friday. “I need a clear-cut purpose if I’m going to get hurt out here or if I’m going to die.”
    You know this pisses me off. The left can take full ownership of this one. There is no way anyone can blame the right for lousy troop morale. Anti-war protesting, calling them nazis, saying they scare women and children in the dark of night, saying the war is lost, comparing their families to little Eichmanns, and voting against funding....no this is the legacy of the left.
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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    It must be horrifying to be in Afghanistan and know that the Commander in Chief despises the very nature of what you do and makes his military decisions based on poll numbers and appeasing George Soros.

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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    This is exactly what I have been saying for weeks. EXACTLY.

    When your president is more interesteded in leno or the olympics according to what you see while you are waiting and being shot at, you get a sour taste in your mouth for he whole thing.
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    I hate stories like this. I hated them 8 years ago, I hate them now. For one, we shouldn't be informing our enemies that our men and women are losing morale and are essentially being weak. Two, they're almost always concerning a small sample group and trying to proclaim it as if its something wide sweeping. Three, it almost always takes a particular issue or statement and contorts it to the direction it wants to go. This exact same story could've/would've came out 2 years ago and it would've been spun by the left to instead be Bush having them in a quagmire of a war with no care for them due to Iraq, etc etc.

    Its just another emotioanl heart strings attempt to manipulate people into a political position by using the troops. Its disgusting, just as it was the past 8 years, yet now its conservatives doing it. Wonderful. We're 9 months into a Democrat Presidency and already so many conservatives have shown themselves little to no dignity or honor for these people, becuase I refuse to believe someone can truly honor someone while using them to push their political opinions and views. You're using dead and disheartened soldiers to take pot shots at a politican. I hated this on the left, I dispise it on the right because for years we kept hearing how they don't use the troops. Its becoming obvious that that is bull****.

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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I hate stories like this. I hated them 8 years ago, I hate them now. For one, we shouldn't be informing our enemies that our men and women are losing morale and are essentially being weak. Two, they're almost always concerning a small sample group and trying to proclaim it as if its something wide sweeping. Three, it almost always takes a particular issue or statement and contorts it to the direction it wants to go. This exact same story could've/would've came out 2 years ago and it would've been spun by the left to instead be Bush having them in a quagmire of a war with no care for them due to Iraq, etc etc.

    Its just another emotioanl heart strings attempt to manipulate people into a political position by using the troops. Its disgusting, just as it was the past 8 years, yet now its conservatives doing it. Wonderful. We're 9 months into a Democrat Presidency and already so many conservatives have shown themselves to have absolutely no dignity or honor for these people that can if weighed would make a feather look heavy, becuase I refuse to believe someone can honor someone while using them to push their political opinions and views. I hated this on the left, I dispise it on the right because for years we kept hearing how they don't use the troops. Its becoming obvious that that is bull****.



    Hmm I am torn on the story part. I can tell you, this whole losing heart thing, I have heard personally, Like I said, when I started on this weeks ago before the MSM got on board with it, that when you are unsure of your mission while your CiC is fiddling, and you are being shot at. Its not shocking that we would be losing morale.

    and this is not an R or a D thing. Like I mentioned before, this is similar to how I felt Bush I treated us right after Desert Storm.


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    Rev, you specifically, I just am continued to be mistified. I know you in your heart respect and honor these men, but quite frankly, your actions this past week don't show it. You keep correcting yourself after the fact, but yet it keeps happening. You want to talk about the perception that him going on Leno and Letterman is giving? Well, what about you supporting the continual push of anyone in the media or elsewhere hyping up that fact again, and again, and again. Were you not one in the crowd that didn't want constant death counts to be reported, or constant negative news about the war to be reported, etc, because it kills the morale of the troops. And yet you haven't shut up for days on end now in bringing up this idiotic point about Leno/Letterman/Olympics and how it must kill morale while you continually keep pounding that drum.

    This EXACT SAME kind of story came out over and over again for the past 8 years. About Bush not caring about afghanistan after Iraq. About soldiers not feeling it was a just war. About soldiers feeling disheartened by the whole torture thing. About soldiers unsure of when they'd get home. Of soldiers being forced to have extended tours of duties. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

    And whenever they did conservatives would point out its only a singular or small group of people. Or that the words of those soldiers were being twisted in context. Or that its natural to be a bit disheartened at time but Bush is doing right. Or whatever other excuse you'd want.

    Yet then they'd have no issues when the stories came out the same way due to say protests, or actions by senators. Or now, by actions by the President.

    Likewise...

    Conservatives went on and on about how we need to stop having the media and people harping on the negatives. Stop talking so much about torture, let them do their job, you're killing morale. Stop talking and highlighting protests, you're killing morale. Stop making outlandish accusations, its killing morale. Don't state that Bush doesn't care about the troops, that kills morale. Don't say Bush is just doing this for oil or political reasons, that kills morale. Stop propping up the things that kill morale.

    But now...

    "Hmm, Leno/Letterman/Olympics is killing their moral. They're somehow getting the impression that Obama cares more about Leno than the troops. Naturally, the best thing to do is to CONTINUALLY OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN harp on the fact that Obama despises the troops and what they do and cares about Leno more. Who cares if that will continue to propogate the same moral draining effect, it'll score us political points, make Obama look bad, and force change to how I want it so SCREW the troops morale, lets keep making damn well sure they KNOW that we think Obama despises them and that he's going to all these things and that obviously means he cares about them more, but lets not say screw morale because...you know....we support the troops".

    I'm sorry Rev, I know I may be being harsh to you, but that's what your ACTIONS seem to be saying and I know that may seem insulting to you because of your history. I know your history. That's why YOUR comments and actions are so insulting to ME, because it doesn't make sense to see a guy that proudly served this country, who was a staunch defender of the troops the past yeras seemingly happily putting their well being and what's best for them even before politics, and yet here you sit seemingly doing things you'd previously rail against seemingly because it benefits your politically while saying you're doing it "for the troops".

    Sorry, but I heard that excuse before. I heard it for years. We want them out because we care about the troops. We want torture stopped becuas we care about the troops. We want to focus on Afghanistan and get out of iraq because we care about the troops. That's not a new excuse, its just a pretty thing to tack on to make the person saying the stuff not feel as bad about going at it partially for political reasons, or to make them not look as bad on the outside.

    I do think you care about the troops over there Rev, but it honestly looks like that your desire to attack and damage Obama and make the point you've now handcuffed yourself to (while throwing away the key) is neck and neck in importance right now.

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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    The problem is we no longer fight wars correctly.

    In WWII, Churchill let an English town be bombed because he didn't want the Nazis to know they had cracked their code. He sacrificed a few in order to save the many. Truman killed thousands of innocent Japanese civilians in order to save many more thousands from a protracted war.

    We don't have that resolve anymore. We fight wars based on poll numbers.

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    I thought bush dropped the ball on Afghanistan. At first, I was of the opinion that it was the MSM who was ignoring Aghanistan and they were, but it became apparent to me over the years, so was Bush.


    However, Bush was not sitting around with a decisio to make. Obama made some hefty promises, then fiddled (one contact in 70 days), while the troops wait for direction.


    You think its an anti-obama thing, that's part of it, sure. But its an inmaterial part when you have friends over there who do not know what they are supposed to be doing...


    Again, I looked at drudge, and see he is milking this story like he had pictures of coffins, this is most abhorrent.


    However, my concern is for the troops, Either we are there to kill people and break things, or we need to come home.


    Sitting on a decision while doing all these uninportant things like leno and the olympics, and 50 tv apperances, leaves a bad taste in troops mouths. The same bad taste many of us had, waiting for Bush I to tell us we were not going into bagdhad.


    I have now critisized three presidents. I could talk about Clinton as well, to even things up however Right now, my main concern, zyph, is the present.
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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Rev, you specifically, I just am continued to be mistified. I know you in your heart respect and honor these men, but quite frankly, your actions this past week don't show it. You keep correcting yourself after the fact, but yet it keeps happening. You want to talk about the perception that him going on Leno and Letterman is giving? Well, what about you supporting the continual push of anyone in the media or elsewhere hyping up that fact again, and again, and again. Were you not one in the crowd that didn't want constant death counts to be reported, or constant negative news about the war to be reported, etc, because it kills the morale of the troops. And yet you haven't shut up for days on end now in bringing up this idiotic point about Leno/Letterman/Olympics and how it must kill morale while you continually keep pounding that drum.

    This EXACT SAME kind of story came out over and over again for the past 8 years. About Bush not caring about afghanistan after Iraq. About soldiers not feeling it was a just war. About soldiers feeling disheartened by the whole torture thing. About soldiers unsure of when they'd get home. Of soldiers being forced to have extended tours of duties. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

    And whenever they did conservatives would point out its only a singular or small group of people. Or that the words of those soldiers were being twisted in context. Or that its natural to be a bit disheartened at time but Bush is doing right. Or whatever other excuse you'd want.

    Yet then they'd have no issues when the stories came out the same way due to say protests, or actions by senators. Or now, by actions by the President.

    Likewise...

    Conservatives went on and on about how we need to stop having the media and people harping on the negatives. Stop talking so much about torture, let them do their job, you're killing morale. Stop talking and highlighting protests, you're killing morale. Stop making outlandish accusations, its killing morale. Don't state that Bush doesn't care about the troops, that kills morale. Don't say Bush is just doing this for oil or political reasons, that kills morale. Stop propping up the things that kill morale.

    But now...

    "Hmm, Leno/Letterman/Olympics is killing their moral. They're somehow getting the impression that Obama cares more about Leno than the troops. Naturally, the best thing to do is to CONTINUALLY OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN harp on the fact that Obama despises the troops and what they do and cares about Leno more. Who cares if that will continue to propogate the same moral draining effect, it'll score us political points, make Obama look bad, and force change to how I want it so SCREW the troops morale, lets keep making damn well sure they KNOW that we think Obama despises them and that he's going to all these things and that obviously means he cares about them more, but lets not say screw morale because...you know....we support the troops".

    I'm sorry Rev, I know I may be being harsh to you, but that's what your ACTIONS seem to be saying and I know that may seem insulting to you because of your history. I know your history. That's why YOUR comments and actions are so insulting to ME, because it doesn't make sense to see a guy that proudly served this country, who was a staunch defender of the troops the past yeras seemingly happily putting their well being and what's best for them even before politics, and yet here you sit seemingly doing things you'd previously rail against seemingly because it benefits your politically while saying you're doing it "for the troops".

    Sorry, but I heard that excuse before. I heard it for years. We want them out because we care about the troops. We want torture stopped becuas we care about the troops. We want to focus on Afghanistan and get out of iraq because we care about the troops. That's not a new excuse, its just a pretty thing to tack on to make the person saying the stuff not feel as bad about going at it partially for political reasons, or to make them not look as bad on the outside.

    I do think you care about the troops over there Rev, but it honestly looks like that your desire to attack and damage Obama and make the point you've now handcuffed yourself to (while throwing away the key) is neck and neck in importance right now.
    I don't know about this. When have conservatives said bad things about the troops? It's not what we're saying the hurts the troops, it's what elected Democrats are saying. For 8 years they did it from Congress, now it's from the Oval Office (but in a form of not being concerned). Bush always held the troops in high esteem, and so did conservatives. Yeah, Obama seems to be spending more time on bull**** than making a decision that will benefit our troops. I don't see anything hypocritical there.
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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I don't know about this. When have conservatives said bad things about the troops? It's not what we're saying the hurts the troops, it's what elected Democrats are saying. For 8 years they did it from Congress, now it's from the Oval Office (but in a form of not being concerned). Bush always held the troops in high esteem, and so did conservatives. Yeah, Obama seems to be spending more time on bull**** than making a decision that will benefit our troops. I don't see anything hypocritical there.
    The President is privy to alot more information than we are and Pakistan is a real big concern where AQ is operating out of. So he has weigh all this information ad determine the best course of action to ever changing situations.

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