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American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

Reverend_Hellh0und said:
once again, you are out of line. Please avoid accusing me of accusing the troops or we will have serious issue.
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As soon as you stop exploiting troop deaths, I will stop accusing you of doing so.
 
Redress said:
As soon as you stop exploiting troop deaths, I will stop accusing you of doing so.
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As soon as you stop making excuses for your messiah at the expense of our bothers and sisters, i'll start taking you seriously.
 
Look "our Messiah" is tearing down the troops by going on talk shows...lets all announce it to the world maybe just maybe we can get that suicide level even higher than it was last year at this time.

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goldendog said:
Look "our Messiah" is tearing down the troops by going on talk shows...lets all announce it to the world maybe just maybe we can get that suicide level even higher than it was last year at this time.

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Lets see if Redress cuts you a new one for using troop suicide rates as fodder for debate.
 
Redress said:
This is why it is hard to take you seriously on the topic of Afghanistan. From your stupid complaints that Obama went on Leno, to claiming that the only reason why some don't agree with you is their blind love of Obama, to your exploiting the deaths of troops to make your political point. Right now, people like you are more harmful to the troops in Afghanistan that Obama could even be.
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Dude! :shock:
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
As soon as you stop making excuses for your messiah at the expense of our bothers and sisters, i'll start taking you seriously.
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I am making no excuses. If Obama screws up, I will take him to task for it. So far, in this issue, he is doing the right thing as best I can tell. The whole "messiah" thing alone shows you have no interest in discussion, you just want to use hyper-partisan rhetoric to tear down Obama, and could care less really about the troops.
 
goldendog said:
Look "our Messiah" is tearing down the troops by going on talk shows...lets all announce it to the world maybe just maybe we can get that suicide level even higher than it was last year at this time.

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Can we leave suicide rates out of this? Troop deaths are a tragedy, and let's not use them for politics.
 
Redress said:
Can we leave suicide rates out of this? Troop deaths are a tragedy, and let's not use them for politics.
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Nor should they be ignored for political reasons.
 
goldendog said:
Nor should they be ignored for political reasons.
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I don't think it is likely to be forgotten. It's a tragedy, but it is part of war unfortunately.
 
Redress said:
I am making no excuses. If Obama screws up, I will take him to task for it. So far, in this issue, he is doing the right thing as best I can tell. The whole "messiah" thing alone shows you have no interest in discussion, you just want to use hyper-partisan rhetoric to tear down Obama, and could care less really about the troops.
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My use of "messiah" was in direct response to your out of line comments towards me.


Good to see you put obama first. How much of a partisan hack does one have to be to say any criisizm of obama means i am "exploiting" the troops.


Pathetic.
 
Zyphlin said:
Let me just be clear.

I don't have issue saying Obama needs to make a decision on this.

I don't have much issue with people complaining about his amount of direct content with the general.

I actually agree he needs to not take too long making this choice, however at the same time I don't want it done rashly either.

What I don't agree with is complaining about troop morale and claiming its due to him "carring more" about Leno/Letterman/The Olympics and putting forward troops as props for getting your attack across, all the while you're (generic you) continually being the ones that continue to shout out that "Obama cares more about Leno than you!", "Obama doesn't care about the troops but cares about the Olympics". This is like the people saying Bush just did the war for Halliburton and shouting that out continually. Is there corrolation to both? Definitely. Halliburton benefited from the Iraq War, Obama to The Olympics/Talk shows. Does that somehow definitively prove "Bush did Iraq for Halliburton" or "Obama cares more about the olympics than the troops"? ABSOLUTELY NOT. Sure, some troops may hear the news and think that, but I dare say MORE are going to think that way...and thus lose morale...when you have a plethora of right wingers continually pounding the drums telling them "He doesn't care about you, he doesnt' care about you, he doesn't care about you".

Yet we're supposed to believe that these people pushing their political point in such a way that it will damage morale even further .... "Care about the troops" ?
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The most important thing in a war is momentum and initiative. If Obama is serious about winning this war then he'll give the generals what they when they want it. Indecisiveness on the part of the Commander In Chief emboldens our enemies and undermines our strategic continuity and tactical momentum.
 
Orius said:
The main reason why they are losing morale is because they are fighting an uphill battle that is unwinnable. They are being given a long term strategy that has few assertainable results, and an exit strategy that doesn't include the word "victory". Both the Bush and Obama administrations have the same strategy: toss money and lives at the problem and hope for improvement.
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The strategy is clear. Our military simply requires the means and the political determination to see it through.

We can win this war. We proved that we can win in Iraq and we'll do it again in Afghanistan. Our military is the absolute best in the world. Let them do their jobs, give them what they ask for, and stand behind them politically and there is no question of who will be victorious.
 
Orius said:
The leftist media does play a part in reducing the effectiveness of battle strategies, but they don't take all the blame for demoralizing the troops. Many right wingers are staunchly pro-war but have never even served, so they have no idea the work it takes for soldiers in the field.
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I think most righties are willing to support the efforts of the soldiers in an attempt to bring the war to quick and decisive conclusion, with an American victory, but saying that righties are, "pro-war", i.e. "war mongerers", isn't accurate.
 
apdst said:
Stories like this shouldn't be made public. It can't lead to any good. Now we have soldiers reading this **** online and it will effect even more soldiers's morale. It's a good example of why the media should be kept as far away from the battlefield as legally possible.
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I just caught this...man you are SO wrong in many ways. First, the founders established a "free press" to keep the GOVT in check...that includes the military.

I disagree with the premise that a news article about low morale will cause lower morale. Continued deployments to ****hole countries away from their families will cause lower morale, which by what I've read from you, that is something that you advocate...I was in Iraq at the absolute lowest point of the war. The only thing that lower my morale was my fellow Soldiers being wounded and killed and poor leadership; not some lame news article.

The media is integral to keeping the nation back home informed about the war and keeping military leaders and civilian policymakers honest and forthcoming about said war. Imagine if the Abu Ghraib story never broke? Lyndie England, all her ****bag buddies and their atrocious chain of command would have gone unpunished. I'm glad that story broke and I'm glad that media are embedded with us on the frontline.
 
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kansaswhig said:
I just caught this...man you are SO wrong in many ways. First, the founders established a "free press" to keep the GOVT in check...that includes the military.
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"Free press", means that journalists can write anything they please without fear of government censorship. It doesn't give them unrestricted access to military operations and allow them unlimited access to information that could cause problems for our military.

I disagree with the premise that a news article about low morale will cause lower morale. Continued deployments to ****hole countries away from their families will cause lower morale, which by what I've read from you, that is something that you advocate...I was in Iraq at the absolute lowest point of the war. The only thing that lower my morale was my fellow Soldiers being wounded and killed and poor leadership; not some lame news article.
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It's not going to raise morale, that's for sure. But, that's neither here, nor there. The biggest issue that I have with the article, is that it announces to the enemy that our troop morale isn't in the best of shape and he can use this information as propaganda to encourage his own soldiers to continue the fight against our forces. The same thing happened in North Vietnam after the Tet Offensive. The North was finished and ready to surrender after the Tet Offensive became a complete debacle for them. Negative news reports encouraged them not to surrender.

The media is integral to keeping the nation back home informed about the war and keeping military leaders and civilian policymakers honest and forthcoming about said war. Imagine if Abu Ghraib never broke? Lyndie England, all her ****bag buddies and their atrocious chain of command would have gone unpunished. I'm glad that story broke and I'm glad that media are embedded with us on the frontline.
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I'm all about keeping the homefront informed, as long as tht information doesn't negatively impact our troops, or the war effort. Over the past 8 years, there have been several poorly reported and agenda driven stories that have caused American servicemen to falsely accused of war crimes. That is wrong on so many levels.
 
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apdst said:
"Free press", means that journalists can write anything they please without fear of government censorship.
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hahaha, tell that to the FCC.
 
apdst said:
I think most righties are willing to support the efforts of the soldiers in an attempt to bring the war to quick and decisive conclusion, with an American victory, but saying that righties are, "pro-war", i.e. "war mongerers", isn't accurate.
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So why has this war raged on for eight years?
 
Ethereal said:
The strategy is clear. Our military simply requires the means and the political determination to see it through.
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OK...So what is this clear strategy & why aren't you in DC explaining it to the Sec,. of Defense, the Joint Chiefs & the CinC?
 
winston53660 said:
So why has this war raged on for eight years?
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I hardly think it's because Righties just want to have a war going on for the hell of it.

Personally, I think it was because Bush was far too concerned about the Libbos whining about being too hard on the enemy. I think that he should have placed restrictions on the press, went in and did what had to be done.
 
Devil505 said:
OK...So what is this clear strategy & why aren't you in DC explaining it to the Sec,. of Defense, the Joint Chiefs & the CinC?
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The JCS already know and agree with the strategy. The Chairman seems to be very clear about what the strategy is.
 
apdst said:
The JCS already know and agree with the strategy. The Chairman seems to be very clear about what the strategy is.
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So I guess the answer is that that Bob Gates & Obama just want as many of our soldiers to die over there as possible...Is that it??
 
apdst said:
I hardly think it's because Righties just want to have a war going on for the hell of it.

Personally, I think it was because Bush was far too concerned about the Libbos whining about being too hard on the enemy. I think that he should have placed restrictions on the press, went in and did what had to be done.
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Oh yeah it is always the fault of the liberals:roll:
 
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