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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    The leftist media does play a part in reducing the effectiveness of battle strategies, but they don't take all the blame for demoralizing the troops. Many right wingers are staunchly pro-war but have never even served, so they have no idea the work it takes for soldiers in the field. So on one side you have people saying no war at all costs, and on the other side you have people saying that such and such country deserves to be bombed for its most recent political statement.

    The main reason why they are losing morale is because they are fighting an uphill battle that is unwinnable. They are being given a long term strategy that has few assertainable results, and an exit strategy that doesn't include the word "victory". Both the Bush and Obama administrations have the same strategy: toss money and lives at the problem and hope for improvement.

    The areas of Afghanistan that are relatively more stable are just temporary quiet zones. Once forces from the Western world pull out, the dissidents will be full on again. The soldiers fighting for freedom in Afghanistan procure one area, only to see car bombs go off and more civilians killed.

    The U.S. just wants another satelite power that it can rely on in a pinch, which means defending the current puppet democracy in Afghanistan. Now forces are pushing into Pakistan, and the neo-cons have their eyes on Iran, expecting soldiers to do more grunt work on their selfish behalf; all the while, the staunch left is accusing soldiers and government of being murderers.

    Of course they are demoralized.

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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Many right wingers are staunchly pro-war but have never even served
    What is 'pro-war'?
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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    When did I argue critically about Bushes OEF policy? Maybe I missed it.
    I'm asking why you didn't mention it.

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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    What is 'pro-war'?
    Advocating combat for others but not yourself or your family.

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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    Advocating combat for others but not yourself or your family.
    I could think of better terms for that than 'pro-war'.
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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    I'm asking why you didn't mention it.
    I believe I talked about how I perceived Bush policy on the matter.

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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Either pull the troops out, or provision them to win. It's one or the other!
    I agree with this. Of course, my personal stance on Iraq and at this point Afghanistan is to pull out. I don't think we should have to risk our troops anymore over there. If there are terrorist attacks in the future (I mean, in general there will be; it's a probability and given enough time all probability will work out) we can deal with it then. And not in some piss ant, "we're bringing democracy" sort of way. The military has made great commitment in their resolve and character to protect this country. I think we should only call on them to their sacrifice for those means. Other places can fight their own damned wars. But if we're going to go to war, it's asinine to hamstring our own troops. They should be given every order and provision to protect themselves and to carry out their missions to the best of their ability.
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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    In Obama we trust.



    This is why it is hard to take you seriously on the topic of Afghanistan. From your stupid complaints that Obama went on Leno, to claiming that the only reason why some don't agree with you is their blind love of Obama, to your exploiting the deaths of troops to make your political point. Right now, people like you are more harmful to the troops in Afghanistan that Obama could even be.
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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Really. I keenly remember a great number of conservative giving Bush the benefit of the doubt about being privy to things we're not.

    Seriously American, when slying trying to point out hypocracy its best to look in the mirror first.



    No, I don't think he's decisive at all. And I think its great to point that out.

    Let me be a bit more clear. If someone went:

    "Look, its ridiculous he's waiting weeks to make a decision on this. The general is on the ground, he knows whats going on, and he requested troops. He needs to deal with this soon. He's got a history of being indecisive on important issues and this is NOT a situation where that can happen. Its as if he's afraid to take the WRONG action, but in this case taking delayed action IS the wrong action. Yes there may be other things he is or needs to be doing, but this is number one".

    You're complaining about his indecision, you're complaining about him not listening to the general, you're complaining about his history of not taking action. You're going after him for not making this the number one priority. All the while, you're not focusing on, harping on, and pushing the notion that people keep claiming is hurting troop morale...stating that the olympics or leno specifically are higher priorities to him than dying troops in afghanistan. It also gets your point across without taking the troops, shoving your hand up their ass, and utilizing them as if they're prop puppets in a partisan attack job play you're doing.

    My issue is not with the base argument of any of this that people are making. Even if I disagree with some of it, I don't have an issue with that. I have an issue with people using the troops as props to make their point seem more important. I have issue with people saying that this perception is hurting troop morale, and then immedietely focusing their arguments in a way that pushes that perception.


    Let me be straight again.


    I am on this position from remembering how I felt with bush I, and how people I know feel now in Afghanistan. Anecdotal aside. I know what troops think when they don't know what the mission is. Its not good.
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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    This is why it is hard to take you seriously on the topic of Afghanistan. From your stupid complaints that Obama went on Leno, to claiming that the only reason why some don't agree with you is their blind love of Obama, to your exploiting the deaths of troops to make your political point. Right now, people like you are more harmful to the troops in Afghanistan that Obama could even be.



    once again, you are out of line. Please avoid accusing me of accusing the troops or we will have serious issue.
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