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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

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    In Obama we trust.



    Yawn okay whatever

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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Probably not. The 17k was part of what he campaigned on and as such was probably studied and thought about for some time to be ready to do it early on in the Presidency as he stated.

    This new increase is something different, and thus I'm guessing he feels he should re-evaluate the situation to see if its needed, what affect the 17k had, etc.

    If I spend 2k on a computer I researched for a few weeks prior and in 9 months its still not working right, I don't go back out and immedietely just throw 4k on a new computer using the same info I had the first time and assume everythings going to be hunky dorey. For one, technology could change during that time and it may be that what I bought wasn't the problem but what I was doing. Its a different situation.

    Likeweise, its not unheard of to re-examine the situation 9 months after he did something previous to see if perhaps the information is different. I'm no saying he needs to take a month to figure it out, I'm just saying you can't equate the two.


    I see no problem with this logic.


    Tell me though, do you view Obama as a "decisive" person?


    Health care, Afghanistan, remember how long it took for him to have a position on Georgia...


    I get the impression, he is afraid to make decisions.
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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

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    Yawn okay whatever



    Well, honestly isn't that what what you are saying? I guess I could have been less hyperbolic.
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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I see no problem with this logic.


    Tell me though, do you view Obama as a "decisive" person?


    Health care, Afghanistan, remember how long it took for him to have a position on Georgia...


    I get the impression, he is afraid to make decisions.
    That was one of the key reasons people said a former governor was better at being the executive than a former legislator.
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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

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    That was one of the key reasons people said a former governor was better at being the executive than a former legislator.



    I dunno, given her recent antics, I think it might have been a lateral move.
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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I dunno, given her recent antics, I think it might have been a lateral move.
    You lost me. I was talking about presidential nominees.
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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I don't remember Bush getting the benefit of the doubt about being privy to things we're not.
    Really. I keenly remember a great number of conservative giving Bush the benefit of the doubt about being privy to things we're not.

    Seriously American, when slying trying to point out hypocracy its best to look in the mirror first.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I see no problem with this logic.

    Tell me though, do you view Obama as a "decisive" person?

    Health care, Afghanistan, remember how long it took for him to have a position on Georgia...

    I get the impression, he is afraid to make decisions.
    No, I don't think he's decisive at all. And I think its great to point that out.

    Let me be a bit more clear. If someone went:

    "Look, its ridiculous he's waiting weeks to make a decision on this. The general is on the ground, he knows whats going on, and he requested troops. He needs to deal with this soon. He's got a history of being indecisive on important issues and this is NOT a situation where that can happen. Its as if he's afraid to take the WRONG action, but in this case taking delayed action IS the wrong action. Yes there may be other things he is or needs to be doing, but this is number one".

    You're complaining about his indecision, you're complaining about him not listening to the general, you're complaining about his history of not taking action. You're going after him for not making this the number one priority. All the while, you're not focusing on, harping on, and pushing the notion that people keep claiming is hurting troop morale...stating that the olympics or leno specifically are higher priorities to him than dying troops in afghanistan. It also gets your point across without taking the troops, shoving your hand up their ass, and utilizing them as if they're prop puppets in a partisan attack job play you're doing.

    My issue is not with the base argument of any of this that people are making. Even if I disagree with some of it, I don't have an issue with that. I have an issue with people using the troops as props to make their point seem more important. I have issue with people saying that this perception is hurting troop morale, and then immedietely focusing their arguments in a way that pushes that perception.

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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You know this pisses me off. The left can take full ownership of this one. There is no way anyone can blame the right for lousy troop morale. Anti-war protesting, calling them nazis, saying they scare women and children in the dark of night, saying the war is lost, comparing their families to little Eichmanns, and voting against funding....no this is the legacy of the left.
    What about the previous eight years of this war?

    I know you say that you are/were critical of Bush for his AFG policy, but doesn't the Right deserve some of the blame on this, too?

    Man, I bet that whole Iraq thing really put a hamper on getting more troops and equipment to AFG...did you oppose that war?

    I agree that true liberals generally aren't big military supporters, but you can't deny that Iraq is the main reason why the war in AFG has been a failure.

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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Stories like this shouldn't be made public. It can't lead to any good. Now we have soldiers reading this **** online and it will effect even more soldiers's morale. It's a good example of why the media should be kept as far away from the battlefield as legally possible.
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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    What about the previous eight years of this war?

    I know you say that you are/were critical of Bush for his AFG policy, but doesn't the Right deserve some of the blame on this, too?

    Man, I bet that whole Iraq thing really put a hamper on getting more troops and equipment to AFG...did you oppose that war?

    I agree that true liberals generally aren't big military supporters, but you can't deny that Iraq is the main reason why the war in AFG has been a failure.
    When did I argue critically about Bushes OEF policy? Maybe I missed it.
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