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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I agree. He should have started this though back in January.
    WASHINGTON - President Barack Obama approved adding some 17,000 U.S. troops for the flagging war in Afghanistan, his first significant move to change the course of a conflict that his closest military advisers have warned the United States is not winning.

    Obama OKs 17,000 troops for Afghanistan - Afghanistan- msnbc.com

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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    WASHINGTON - President Barack Obama approved adding some 17,000 U.S. troops for the flagging war in Afghanistan, his first significant move to change the course of a conflict that his closest military advisers have warned the United States is not winning.

    Obama OKs 17,000 troops for Afghanistan - Afghanistan- msnbc.com



    Yes, he threw 17k more troops atafghanistan, by your previous post, you think that was a mistake when you say "Deploying 40 thousand American lives is not a decision that should be made in haste. "?
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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Let me just be clear.

    I don't have issue saying Obama needs to make a decision on this.

    I don't have much issue with people complaining about his amount of direct content with the general.

    I actually agree he needs to not take too long making this choice, however at the same time I don't want it done rashly either.

    What I don't agree with is complaining about troop morale and claiming its due to him "carring more" about Leno/Letterman/The Olympics and putting forward troops as props for getting your attack across, all the while you're (generic you) continually being the ones that continue to shout out that "Obama cares more about Leno than you!", "Obama doesn't care about the troops but cares about the Olympics". This is like the people saying Bush just did the war for Halliburton and shouting that out continually. Is there corrolation to both? Definitely. Halliburton benefited from the Iraq War, Obama to The Olympics/Talk shows. Does that somehow definitively prove "Bush did Iraq for Halliburton" or "Obama cares more about the olympics than the troops"? ABSOLUTELY NOT. Sure, some troops may hear the news and think that, but I dare say MORE are going to think that way...and thus lose morale...when you have a plethora of right wingers continually pounding the drums telling them "He doesn't care about you, he doesnt' care about you, he doesn't care about you".

    Yet we're supposed to believe that these people pushing their political point in such a way that it will damage morale even further .... "Care about the troops" ?

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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Hey guys, this isn't about January or February, it's about right now. And now he's concerned about healthcare, the Olympics and running around like a campaigner. He should be in the situation room deciding today about sending more troops.
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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Yes, he threw 17k more troops atafghanistan, by your previous post, you think that was a mistake when you say "Deploying 40 thousand American lives is not a decision that should be made in haste. "?
    Probably not. The 17k was part of what he campaigned on and as such was probably studied and thought about for some time to be ready to do it early on in the Presidency as he stated.

    This new increase is something different, and thus I'm guessing he feels he should re-evaluate the situation to see if its needed, what affect the 17k had, etc.

    If I spend 2k on a computer I researched for a few weeks prior and in 9 months its still not working right, I don't go back out and immedietely just throw 4k on a new computer using the same info I had the first time and assume everythings going to be hunky dorey. For one, technology could change during that time and it may be that what I bought wasn't the problem but what I was doing. Its a different situation.

    Likeweise, its not unheard of to re-examine the situation 9 months after he did something previous to see if perhaps the information is different. I'm no saying he needs to take a month to figure it out, I'm just saying you can't equate the two.

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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Yes, he threw 17k more troops atafghanistan, by your previous post, you think that was a mistake when you say "Deploying 40 thousand American lives is not a decision that should be made in haste. "?
    That is your own conclusion not mine. Mine is that the President is privy to alot more information than we are and I want him to find the most effective way to utilize our resources.

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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Let me just be clear.

    I don't have issue saying Obama needs to make a decision on this.

    I don't have much issue with people complaining about his amount of direct content with the general.

    I actually agree he needs to not take too long making this choice, however at the same time I don't want it done rashly either.

    What I don't agree with is complaining about troop morale and claiming its due to him "carring more" about Leno/Letterman/The Olympics and putting forward troops as props for getting your attack across, all the while you're (generic you) continually being the ones that continue to shout out that "Obama cares more about Leno than you!", "Obama doesn't care about the troops but cares about the Olympics". This is like the people saying Bush just did the war for Halliburton and shouting that out continually. Is there corrolation to both? Definitely. Halliburton benefited from the Iraq War, Obama to The Olympics/Talk shows. Does that somehow definitively prove "Bush did Iraq for Halliburton" or "Obama cares more about the olympics than the troops"? ABSOLUTELY NOT. Sure, some troops may hear the news and think that, but I dare say MORE are going to think that way...and thus lose morale...when you have a plethora of right wingers continually pounding the drums telling them "He doesn't care about you, he doesnt' care about you, he doesn't care about you".

    Yet we're supposed to believe that these people pushing their political point in such a way that it will damage morale even further .... "Care about the troops" ?


    Cares more about?


    I think I was careful to point out, that it appears, his priorities are screwed.
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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Z, Bush has a reputation of being decisive. No one argued that, they just didn't agree with his decisions. With Obama it's his hesitation.
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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    That is your own conclusion not mine. Mine is that the President is privy to alot more information than we are and I want him to find the most effective way to utilize our resources.



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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    I don't remember Bush getting the benefit of the doubt about being privy to things we're not.
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