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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I thought bush dropped the ball on Afghanistan. At first, I was of the opinion that it was the MSM who was ignoring Aghanistan and they were, but it became apparent to me over the years, so was Bush.


    However, Bush was not sitting around with a decisio to make. Obama made some hefty promises, then fiddled (one contact in 70 days), while the troops wait for direction.


    You think its an anti-obama thing, that's part of it, sure. But its an inmaterial part when you have friends over there who do not know what they are supposed to be doing...


    Again, I looked at drudge, and see he is milking this story like he had pictures of coffins, this is most abhorrent.


    However, my concern is for the troops, Either we are there to kill people and break things, or we need to come home.


    Sitting on a decision while doing all these uninportant things like leno and the olympics, and 50 tv apperances, leaves a bad taste in troops mouths. The same bad taste many of us had, waiting for Bush I to tell us we were not going into bagdhad.


    I have now critisized three presidents. I could talk about Clinton as well, to even things up however Right now, my main concern, zyph, is the present.
    I don't think Bush ever stopped caring about Afghanistan, I think he felt the work there was best done by the SOF and Marines, and drawing attention to Iraq took the limelight off of bin Laden. It made him less important publicly, but not behind the scenes. It wasn't the troops that were made less important, but reduced bin Laden's ability to be important by denying him the public stage.
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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I don't think Bush ever stopped caring about Afghanistan, I think he felt the work there was best done by the SOF and Marines, and drawing attention to Iraq took the limelight off of bin Laden. It made him less important publicly, but not behind the scenes. It wasn't the troops that were made less important, but reduced bin Laden's ability to be important by denying him the public stage.



    I think that was part of it as well. However, Afghanistan went from a SOCOM operation to a more conventional take and hold affair, conventional troops were needed. I think Bush, missed this, and needed to address this and did not.


    Obama saw this, and campaigned on it. Now, he is fiddling.


    There is plenty of blame to go around.
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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    The President is privy to alot more information than we are and Pakistan is a real big concern where AQ is operating out of. So he has weigh all this information ad determine the best course of action to ever changing situations.
    And the point is, is Leno more important? or the Olympics? or healthcare?
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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I think that was part of it as well. However, Afghanistan went from a SOCOM operation to a more conventional take and hold affair, conventional troops were needed. I think Bush, missed this, and needed to address this and did not.


    Obama saw this, and campaigned on it. Now, he is fiddling.


    There is plenty of blame to go around.
    Well maybe you're right, but I always felt Bush put a lot of stock in what his ground commanders wanted. If they didn't speak up then nothing would change.
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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Well maybe you're right, but I always felt Bush put a lot of stock in what his ground commanders wanted. If they didn't speak up then nothing would change.



    I agree with this, however, I think he could have done better in Afghanistan as the battlefield changed.


    Bush was incontact with this people, unlike this president.
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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    And the point is, is Leno more important? or the Olympics? or healthcare?
    Should he be sitting in the Oval Office twiddling his thumbs while military, strategic, foreign relations experts form their proposals?

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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Should he be sitting in the Oval Office twiddling his thumbs while military, strategic, foreign relations experts form their proposals?



    That, or be in touch with the guy he tapped more than once in 70 days, and make a presidential decision on a-stan like he campaigned on.
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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Either pull the troops out, or provision them to win. It's one or the other!
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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    That, or be in touch with the guy he tapped more than once in 70 days, and make a presidential decision on a-stan like he campaigned on.
    He just got McChrystal's report last week and it is being distributed through the system now. Deploying 40 thousand American lives is not a decision that should be made in haste.

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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    He just got McChrystal's report last week and it is being distributed through the system now. Deploying 40 thousand American lives is not a decision that should be made in haste.



    I agree. He should have started this though back in January.
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