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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    "President Barack Obama does not intend to decide about sending additional troops to Afghanistan until he is satisfied that the Kabul government can work effectively with the U.S., a top White House aide said Sunday.

    "It would be reckless to make a decision on U.S. troop levels if in fact you haven't done a thorough analysis of whether in fact there's an Afghan partner ready to fill that space that U.S. troops would create and become a true partner in governing," said the president's chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel."


    The Associated Press: Emanuel: Can Afghan govt be effective US partner?

    I don't know if you all read this in today's news.

    Selfishly, I'm glad Obama is taking his time and making the wisest decision he can (I recognize this is selfish, because if my son were already over there, I would want Obama to hurry up and send more troops as soon as possible).

    On the other hand, if I had no horse in this race, no personal stake in this game... I think I would still want Obama to take his time and make the wisest decision possible.
    Either way, it's obviously going to cost lives. There are troops over there now in isolated rural outposts, without enough backup to call on when militants attack. it's awful.
    But that's war.

    If Obama sends more troops before determining the right course for this operation to take, it could unnecessarily cost thousands and thousands of additional American lives, for no tangible gain.

    We need to be clear about our objective over there first, and we need to determine whether the current Afghan government is going to be able to partner with us in achieving that objective. And if not, we need to replace them with one that will.

    It truly is another Vietnam, if we simply hurl more bodies at an unwinnable war without a clear objective.
    I can't support that. I'm glad Obama can't, either.
    I wish we didn't already have troops there.
    It tears at my heart to think about our brave soldiers over there in danger and without a clear objective.
    I wish with all my heart that they can be safe while we figure out what to do.


    so if it was your son, you would want obama to make a decision already?



    i think the time is now to make a decision.
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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

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    so if it was your son, you would want obama to make a decision already?



    i think the time is now to make a decision.
    The longer it takes to make a decision, the more cluster ****ed the situation will become, making life harder on those who are eventually sent to the theater.
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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    You righties motives are so clear...If he does it to quickly you will attack him. If he takes too long you will attack him.

    You people don't think the nation sees your motives here?

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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    You righties motives are so clear...If he does it to quickly you will attack him. If he takes too long you will attack him.

    You people don't think the nation sees your motives here?
    You just can't imagine how wrong you are. We're not Libbos. We don't play dat.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I've always felt like CIB's shouldn't be restricted to infantry MOS's. I think that FSO's, medic, TAC-P type personel should be awarded the CIB if they are directly attached to an infantry unit in combat.
    Agreed...Something Fisters fought for years, but after the CAB came out, we don't have a dog in the fight anymore.



    FSO = fire support officer. The FSO leads the FIST, the fire and indirect support team. The FIST guys are the ones that communicate between the infantry unit and the artillery unit. The infantry unit commander tells the FIST where he wants fire to impact, the FIST figures out the coordinance and identifies what type of target it is--troops, tanks, trucks, buildings, etc.--and sends that info the artillery battery(s).

    Pretty good description...don't forget all the sexy non-lethal stuff we do now: IO, EWO, etc

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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Well, I think others can also be helped by this, so:
    What is IO, EWO, CIB, CAB, and TAC-P?

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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Voldemort View Post
    Well, I think others can also be helped by this, so:
    What is IO, EWO, CIB, CAB, and TAC-P?
    Really.
    One thing I'm noticing about the army: everything's a damned initialism or an acronym.

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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Voldemort View Post
    Well, I think others can also be helped by this, so:
    What is IO, EWO, CIB, CAB, and TAC-P?
    IO: information operations
    EWO: electronic warfare officer
    CIB: combat infantryman's badge
    CAB: combat action badge
    TAC-P: Tactical Air Control Party...air force

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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Really.
    One thing I'm noticing about the army: everything's a damned initialism or an acronym.
    we get sooooo much more communicating done that way

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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    You righties motives are so clear...If he does it to quickly you will attack him. If he takes too long you will attack him.

    You people don't think the nation sees your motives here?



    If he withdraws, and I have repeatedly said this so I don't get why you keep bloviating this nonsense, I would disagree with the decision, but I would be happy that he made a choice that reduces the jeapoardy he has them in now, sitting around while he fiddles.


    In fact, I would almost prefer he withdraws them as I don't think he is capable of prosecuting a war.
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