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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

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    I disagree. I've been in for over a decade and I'd say most in the military are oblivious to politics. The ones that are politically savvy lean conservative a bit; there are a lot more troops that vote Democrat than you think. Many of the intellectual class among officers are almost all liberals.

    I found most who were into politics, leaned conservative. Sorta hand that feeds you thinng. O's included.
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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

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    I found most who were into politics, leaned conservative. Sorta hand that feeds you thinng. O's included.
    And some of us where the exception. The fun on the day Clinton beat Bush was wonderful for the two of us who where liberals.
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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

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    And some of us where the exception. The fun on the day Clinton beat Bush was wonderful for the two of us who where liberals.



    Sure thing, few, very very few, were out and pround liberals.... Usually those chicks didn't have boyfriends either though...


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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

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    Sure thing, few, very very few, were out and pround liberals.... Usually those chicks didn't have boyfriends either though...


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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

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    I found most who were into politics, leaned conservative. Sorta hand that feeds you thinng. O's included.
    Yeah, you were in a different branch and it was ten years ago. Dynamics and culture has changed somewhat, especially since Iraq/AFG have about run their course. I still believe that most in the Army aren't to politically savvy. You'd be surprised by how many closet liberals there are, though; especially among officers.

    I see your point on the hand that feeds you analogy.

    Unless that hand is feeding you into an unecessary war of choice in Iraq.

    Then I'd rather starve.
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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    I know that there were reports such as this during the Vietnam War. Earlier some people had bad things to say about LBJ later on it was Nixon. I am sure that if someone had asked a group of soldiers or airmen maybe even Marines during the Korean War they may have heard a negative attitude from some fraction of troops. Hey the Air Force was not at all happy about the fact that they could not chase Commie Migs across the Yalu but did they lose heart ? Don't thing so !! I am sure that there were some who considered Truman a useless political schmuck and they maybe felt that MacArthur should have run the entire war from Japan. I am sure that there were fractions of troops in every war we fought who grumbled, at some point felt the feeling of "losing heart" or someone had interpreted that sentiment form the those troops.

    It is very probable that during there were some troops on both sides during the Civil war who felt that Lincoln or Jeff Davis were just screwing up things royally.

    I can just envision Continental troops and the short term volunteers saying that those buffoons in the Continental Congress were just flapping there gums while they were dying so why the hell don't they just home and get the fields plowed for the spring plantings.

    If someone really looks for negativism and interprets by hearing what they want to hear I am sure that we can make just about any war seen as if the troops are ready to throw in the towel.

    In Vietnam some troops especially in the Air Force said things like “Vietnam is like a big vacuum cleaner, it really sucks".

    Well are we to conclude that the entire Seventh Air Force had "lost heart”?
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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    From my experience it never mattered what opinion was outside the bubble of the unit. Fighting forces are that close knit and insular opinions from a far are of no relevance. Moral comes from within-from within yourself, and your close friends. Political-strategic initiatives bare little on your day to day schedule. You have a enough to occupy your mind, concentrating on your friends back and not letting down your section or platoon. The only orders or directives, that matter from above, are what comes your way via platoon commander, or if your unlucky you may bump into the commanding officer.

    The Paras in 2006 whilst on one of the most brutal tours of Afghanistan were facing the possibility of being completely isolated and cut off from reinforcements. The attitude of the Men.....was bring it on!

    I cant envisage it being much different in the American services.

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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

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    I found most who were into politics, leaned conservative. Sorta hand that feeds you thinng. O's included.
    Just for the sake of clarity, I didn't say this.

    Originally Posted by apdst

    I disagree. I've been in for over a decade and I'd say most in the military are oblivious to politics. The ones that are politically savvy lean conservative a bit; there are a lot more troops that vote Democrat than you think. Many of the intellectual class among officers are almost all liberals.
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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    I said this:

    I disagree. I've been in for over a decade and I'd say most in the military are oblivious to politics. The ones that are politically savvy lean conservative a bit; there are a lot more troops that vote Democrat than you think. Many of the intellectual class among officers are almost all liberals.

    Hellhound said this:

    I found most who were into politics, leaned conservative. Sorta hand that feeds you thinng. O's included.
    I responded with this:

    Yeah, you were in a different branch and it was ten years ago. Dynamics and culture has changed somewhat, especially since Iraq/AFG have about run their course. I still believe that most in the Army aren't to politically savvy. You'd be surprised by how many closet liberals there are, though; especially among officers.

    I see your point on the hand that feeds you analogy.

    Unless that hand is feeding you into an unecessary war of choice in Iraq.

    Then I'd rather starve.
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    Re: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    Yeah, you were in a different branch and it was ten years ago. Dynamics and culture has changed somewhat, especially since Iraq/AFG have about run their course. I still believe that most in the Army aren't to politically savvy. You'd be surprised by how many closet liberals there are, though; especially among officers.

    I am still in contact and close to people still serving. I do CQB training several times a year where I assist a well known school in instruction. I talk to many many vets, active duty, and contractors, and it's pretty obvious where they stand. YMMV...

    I see your point on the hand that feeds you analogy.

    Unless that hand is feeding you into an unecessary war of choice in Iraq.

    Then I'd rather starve.

    Uhm, Problem is we are already over there. Would you rather have the hand that feeds, or the hand that fights funding, wont make a decision, calls you murderers, nazis, and war criminals?
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