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    Re: DHS Napolitano orders Sheriff Arpaio to stop looking for illegal aliens

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    The ones I have seen they make every car slowly roll passed them and they peer into the car. They have 1 lane that is open but you aren't allowed to go through it. They leave it open due to legalities but then chase you down if you go through it. (Or at least the ones i used to see in my old town). If you look suspicious. (Or get a racist cop and look the opposite of what they like) You get stopped and harassed.
    That's how it works here in AZ.
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    Re: DHS Napolitano orders Sheriff Arpaio to stop looking for illegal aliens

    SO if I understand the HMS directive:

    If an officer observes a tail-light broken and subsequently pulls a vehicle over; then notices a Latino in the drivers seat he must relieve the driver of any responsibility to the law.. BECAUSE he's Latino.. I think I'm getting it now... uh ...uh ...NEVER MIND......I'm wrong... I STILL don't get it!

    OK, ok, NOW I got it! They should never racially profile UNLESS it is to ignore a federal law perpetrated by a minority... that's IT!!.. I understand COMPLETELY!!

    Silly progressives! Always tryin' to trick me out of my Constitution!

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    Re: DHS Napolitano orders Sheriff Arpaio to stop looking for illegal aliens

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    The DHS can't it's a clear violation of the 10th Adm. someone really needs to explain the US Constitution to these folks.
    How so?

    Immigration is under federal law, correct?

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    Re: DHS Napolitano orders Sheriff Arpaio to stop looking for illegal aliens

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    How so?

    Immigration is under federal law, correct?
    Yup, and State law is under the State... Tell me, is there any Federal law against illegally entering this country?

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    Re: DHS Napolitano orders Sheriff Arpaio to stop looking for illegal aliens

    Quote Originally Posted by ConservaBill View Post
    SO if I understand the HMS directive:

    If an officer observes a tail-light broken and subsequently pulls a vehicle over; then notices a Latino in the drivers seat he must relieve the driver of any responsibility to the law.. BECAUSE he's Latino.. I think I'm getting it now... uh ...uh ...NEVER MIND......I'm wrong... I STILL don't get it!

    OK, ok, NOW I got it! They should never racially profile UNLESS it is to ignore a federal law perpetrated by a minority... that's IT!!.. I understand COMPLETELY!!

    Silly progressives! Always tryin' to trick me out of my Constitution!
    Uh..

    I'm brown (hispanic), and I get picked on in these "Immigration checkpoints" which are much like DUI checkpoints... except they're not stopping everyone... they're stopping those that are brown.

    I very much like my fourth amendment rights... probably just as much as you love your second amendment rights... and much like the liberals like their 1st amendment rights.

    This is the depth of the conversation we're having here... He is racially profiling and subsequently violating the rights of a lot of Americans who look Hispanic.

    Doesn't surprise me you're republitard.
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    Re: DHS Napolitano orders Sheriff Arpaio to stop looking for illegal aliens

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    Sure does.

    I attribute it to "stupid old people", and note that the problem will eventually solve itself.
    I'm sure quite a few 8th graders feel the same way about you.

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    Re: DHS Napolitano orders Sheriff Arpaio to stop looking for illegal aliens

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    What exactly is a DUI type checkpoint? Do you have roadblocks where officers stop every car and simply ask for license and registration without cause?
    That's it in one.

    "An additional source of guidelines can be found in an earlier decision by the California Supreme Court (Ingersoll v. Palmer (43 Cal.3d 1321 (1987)) wherein the Court set forth what it felt to be necessary standards in planning and administering a sobriety checkpoint:
    A checkpoint in the United States

    * Decision making must be at a supervisory level, rather than by officers in the field.
    * A neutral formula must be used to select vehicles to be stopped, such as every vehicle or every third vehicle, rather than leaving it up the officer in the field.
    * Primary consideration must be given to public and officer safety.
    * The site should be selected by policy-making officials, based upon areas having a high incidence of drunk driving.
    * Limitations on when the checkpoint is to be conducted and for how long, bearing in mind both effectiveness and intrusiveness.
    * Warning lights and signs should be clearly visible.
    * Length of detention of motorists should be minimized.
    * Advance publicity is necessary to reduce the intrusiveness of the checkpoint and increase its deterrent effect."
    Sobriety checkpoint - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    "Even though the US Supreme Court said sobriety checkpoints are constitutional, ten states still do not allow them: Idaho, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Oregon, Rhode Island, Texas, Washington, Wisconsin, and Wyoming."
    - Mothers Against Drunk Driving - Campaign to Eliminate Drunk Driving - Laws

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    Re: DHS Napolitano orders Sheriff Arpaio to stop looking for illegal aliens

    I was asking about a checkpoint in which officers are not performing sobriety checks. Sobriety checkpoints are a specific example, narrowly allowed for reasons of public safety. Creating a similar roadblock for the purpose of catching illegal immigrants would not be allowed under the ruling.

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    Re: DHS Napolitano orders Sheriff Arpaio to stop looking for illegal aliens

    Quote Originally Posted by 1 Easy Target View Post
    I don't carry anything to prove my citizenship. But I do carry the documents to legally drive in this country. If I were to go through a DUI type checkpoint, (we have them regularly around here) and could not produce those documents, then I could, upon request, provide a valid birth certificate, passport, etc.

    My point was that if you are caught for some other infraction, like driving without license and insurance, then it gives the LEO opening to also check immigration status.
    So what if the cop wants you to prove your citizenship status? Are you prepared to require that we all start carrying copies of it with us now?

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    Re: DHS Napolitano orders Sheriff Arpaio to stop looking for illegal aliens

    Quote Originally Posted by ConservaBill View Post
    I STILL don't get it!
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