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    Re: DHS Napolitano orders Sheriff Arpaio to stop looking for illegal aliens

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Try living in Washington state. Pushing the racial issues aside also. Here they can pull you over just to check if you are wearing a seat belt. So if they wrongfully pull you over now they can just rely on the seat-belt check law.
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    Re: DHS Napolitano orders Sheriff Arpaio to stop looking for illegal aliens

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Beats me -- but arresting, not stopping, the illegals is the issue.
    No, the method of determining who is and is not here illegally would be the issue. That's why he was instructed to stop.

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    Re: DHS Napolitano orders Sheriff Arpaio to stop looking for illegal aliens

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    No, the method of determining who is and is not here illegally would be the issue. That's why he was instructed to stop.
    Not according to the story, which notes "arresting" not "stopping".
    The "arresting" necessarily comes -after- the stop and the determination.

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    Re: DHS Napolitano orders Sheriff Arpaio to stop looking for illegal aliens

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Not according to the story, which notes "arresting" not "stopping".
    The "arresting" necessarily comes -after- the stop and the determination.
    Are you referring to rathi's story?

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    Re: DHS Napolitano orders Sheriff Arpaio to stop looking for illegal aliens

    CNN has some better information available. Apparently DHS is not ordering him not to enforce laws. There was an agreement between DHS and Arpaio that Arpaio would enforce federal immigration law as a delagation of DHS's authority. DHS is now terminating that agreement.

    Source [CNN | Tough sheriff's immigration duties face limits after complaints]

    Sheriff Joe Arpaio and the Maricopa County, Arizona, sheriff's department have had an agreement with the Department of Homeland Security since 2007 that allows his department to enforce federal immigration laws. But Arpaio says the federal agency is moving to revise the agreement to limit that power to checking the immigration status of inmates already in his Phoenix jail.
    That distinction has direct impact on a lot of the posts in this thread - mine included. Given the situation, I have no problem with DHS or Nopolitano's actions

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    Re: DHS Napolitano orders Sheriff Arpaio to stop looking for illegal aliens

    If his stops were handled like a DUI checkpoint where every car or every third car was stopped and drivers license, registration and insurance were checked, he would have probable cause to check the immigration status of all who could not provide those documents that are required by state and federal laws.

    Anyone have a problem with this style of check since it is not based on race but on required documents that we all must carry with us when we drive?

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    Re: DHS Napolitano orders Sheriff Arpaio to stop looking for illegal aliens

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    How exactly does one conduct a "street patrol" looking for illegal immigrants?
    Given Arpaio's other publicity seeking and highly unethical behavior, I am not exactly trusting of his actions. However, I don't like the Homeland Security getting involved either. Arpaio is a local problem that should be dealt with using local power.
    Perhaps he isn't a local problem at all...

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    Re: DHS Napolitano orders Sheriff Arpaio to stop looking for illegal aliens

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    Sure does.

    I attribute it to "stupid old people", and note that the problem will eventually solve itself.


    I laughed at that real good...

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    Re: DHS Napolitano orders Sheriff Arpaio to stop looking for illegal aliens

    Interesting similar material.


    Report: ICE agreement may add work for LA sheriff - California - fresnobee.com

    The report also raised questions regarding a proposal by ICE to revamp its agreement under which sheriff's department personnel check the immigration status of inmates. The report said the proposed changes would shift more of the burden of processing deportation papers to sheriff's personnel, putting a strain on jail staff.
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    Re: DHS Napolitano orders Sheriff Arpaio to stop looking for illegal aliens

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The executive branch is under no obligation to enforce any law it doesn't feel like enforcing.
    actually, isn't that exactly what the Presidents job is?
    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    Basically anyone locally who's disagreed with Arpaio has had some charges trumped up on them... and been attacked.
    you posted 2 articles
    what LEO in charge does not have numerous claims filed.
    you have proved jack ****

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    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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