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    Re: DHS Napolitano orders Sheriff Arpaio to stop looking for illegal aliens

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post


    Actually, it doesn't depend on anything at all. It is written in black and white, in the Constitution, that all powers not expressly given to the Federal government belong to the states, and to the people.

    It's quite simple, actually. No need to look for a reason to believe otherwise. It is stated to a certainty in the Constitution.


    And if they are exercising one of those express powers, they have every right to step in.

    The one I was thinking of was civil rights. If, for instance, the police were stopping every (or exclusively) Hispanic drivers looking for illegal activity, and stopping them based upon their complexion and nothing else, the Federal government can and should step in to stop such activity.

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    Re: DHS Napolitano orders Sheriff Arpaio to stop looking for illegal aliens

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    Wow, you're a ****ing idiot.

    Where have I said *anything* about not appreciating the *actual* criminals he's apprehending?

    Nowhere, so please simmer down the ****ing stupidity.

    His methods are extremely unconstitutional and I don't agree with them.

    Sheriff's deputies arrest 'New Times' owners

    Case was dropped btw... nevermind the other bull**** he's doing.
    So I take that as a no you can not support your claims he files trumped up charges.
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    Re: DHS Napolitano orders Sheriff Arpaio to stop looking for illegal aliens

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    And if they are exercising one of those express powers, they have every right to step in.

    The one I was thinking of was civil rights. If, for instance, the police were stopping every (or exclusively) Hispanic drivers looking for illegal activity, and stopping them based upon their complexion and nothing else, the Federal government can and should step in to stop such activity.
    And that is exactly what's happening.

    I've been stopped, and quite a few of my friends have been stopped.

    It's like a DUI checkpoint, except for Hispanic looking people... not drunks
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    Re: DHS Napolitano orders Sheriff Arpaio to stop looking for illegal aliens

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    The question is if a state has the power to enforce federal law, absent a request from the federal government to do so and/or in the face of a request by the federal government to NOT do so.

    However that question is answered, the DHS director hgas NO power to order a sheriff to NOT enforce any related state laws.
    Nor does anyone else in the Executive or Legislative branches, and the Supreme Court ONLY if the state laws violate the US Constitution.
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    Re: DHS Napolitano orders Sheriff Arpaio to stop looking for illegal aliens

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post

    The one I was thinking of was civil rights. If, for instance, the police were stopping every (or exclusively) Hispanic drivers looking for illegal activity, and stopping them based upon their complexion and nothing else, the Federal government can and should step in to stop such activity.
    But, that's not the activity he was ordered to stop:
    Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano has just ordered Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio to stop arresting suspects based solely on the fact that they are illegal aliens.

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    Re: DHS Napolitano orders Sheriff Arpaio to stop looking for illegal aliens

    Sheriff Arpaio may lose some immigrant authority

    The above article is more detailed and not biased like the OP. The Sheriff has currently been operating under 287g, which gives him the authority for immigration related crimes. The ICE has drawn up a new agreement curtailing his powers somewhat. He can still process illegals that end up in his jails, but street sweeps are not longer allowed. Arpaio also can arrest illegals under state laws against human smuggling.

    It would also appear that the street sweeps are racially profiled and without probable cause. Here is lawsuit in which a legal resident and a U.S. citizen were targeted under such a sweep.

    Sheriff Arpaio Slapped With Another Civil Rights Lawsuit Over Arrests | The Public Record

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    Re: DHS Napolitano orders Sheriff Arpaio to stop looking for illegal aliens

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Sheriff Arpaio may lose some immigrant authority

    The above article is more detailed and not biased like the OP. The Sheriff has currently been operating under 287g, which gives him the authority for immigration related crimes. The ICE has drawn up a new agreement curtailing his powers somewhat. He can still process illegals that end up in his jails, but street sweeps are not longer allowed. Arpaio also can arrest illegals under state laws against human smuggling.

    It would also appear that the street sweeps are racially profiled and without probable cause. Here is lawsuit in which a legal resident and a U.S. citizen were targeted under such a sweep.

    Sheriff Arpaio Slapped With Another Civil Rights Lawsuit Over Arrests | The Public Record

    Only one of many lawsuits that have been brought against him.
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    Re: DHS Napolitano orders Sheriff Arpaio to stop looking for illegal aliens

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    But, that's not the activity he was ordered to stop:
    So how exactly does a police officer tell who is an illegal alien and who isn't?

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    Re: DHS Napolitano orders Sheriff Arpaio to stop looking for illegal aliens

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    So how exactly does a police officer tell who is an illegal alien and who isn't?
    Beats me -- but arresting, not stopping, the illegals is the issue.

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    Re: DHS Napolitano orders Sheriff Arpaio to stop looking for illegal aliens

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    And that is exactly what's happening.

    I've been stopped, and quite a few of my friends have been stopped.

    It's like a DUI checkpoint, except for Hispanic looking people... not drunks
    Try living in Washington state. Pushing the racial issues aside also. Here they can pull you over just to check if you are wearing a seat belt. So if they wrongfully pull you over now they can just rely on the seat-belt check law.
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