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US funds dry up for Iran rights watchdog

Red_Dave said:
So is that to say that Russian citizens should have made donations to South Ossetians rather than supporting their governments military intervention?
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Its only 7 pages

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...a-but-moscow-over-reacted-says-eu-report.html

"On June 24 1992, a quadripartite Russian-Georgian-Ossetian (North and South Ossetia) Sochi agreement was signed putting an end to Georgian-Abkhasian and Georgian-Ossetian wars. On July 14 1992 mixed Russian-Georgian-Ossetian peacekeeping force entered South Ossetia."

If Georgia opted to attack and kill Russian citizens of S.Ossetia as well as Russian peacekeeping force, what reaction did you expect from Russia?

And what that have to do with the US monitoring of other nations internal affairs? Is Russia funding the monitoring of Georgian elections? Speaking of which, how in God's name Georgia managed to get onto US list of "democracies"?! :D
 
Elena said:
1. And the US leadership doesn't?
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Such as?

2. and the US leadership doesn't crack down on it's own population with opressive laws,
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Such as?

domestic policies that breed poverty
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Such as?

and torture of foreigners in the name of US interests?
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Coercive interrogation of known unlawful combatants is not the same thing as torturing political dissidents.

3. remind me please that story with "stolen" Bush elections?
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lol Bush won Florida and it has since been proven conclusively Furthermore; it took the SCOTUS IIRC months to deliberate on the issue, the Iranian theocrats declared Ahmadinejad the winner in a day.
 
Elena said:
Its only 7 pages

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...a-but-moscow-over-reacted-says-eu-report.html

"On June 24 1992, a quadripartite Russian-Georgian-Ossetian (North and South Ossetia) Sochi agreement was signed putting an end to Georgian-Abkhasian and Georgian-Ossetian wars. On July 14 1992 mixed Russian-Georgian-Ossetian peacekeeping force entered South Ossetia."

If Georgia opted to attack and kill Russian citizens of S.Ossetia as well as Russian peacekeeping force, what reaction did you expect from Russia?

And what that have to do with the US monitoring of other nations internal affairs? Is Russia funding the monitoring of Georgian elections? Speaking of which, how in God's name Georgia managed to get onto US list of "democracies"?! :D
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Yes i read that and for the record i was more sympathetic towards South Ossetia than i was to Georgia. My point was that if Russia has a right to intervene in other countrys on, what to an extent, could be called a humanitarian basis than why cant the U.S?
 
Elena said:
Its only 7 pages

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...a-but-moscow-over-reacted-says-eu-report.html

"On June 24 1992, a quadripartite Russian-Georgian-Ossetian (North and South Ossetia) Sochi agreement was signed putting an end to Georgian-Abkhasian and Georgian-Ossetian wars. On July 14 1992 mixed Russian-Georgian-Ossetian peacekeeping force entered South Ossetia."

If Georgia opted to attack and kill Russian citizens of S.Ossetia as well as Russian peacekeeping force, what reaction did you expect from Russia?

And what that have to do with the US monitoring of other nations internal affairs? Is Russia funding the monitoring of Georgian elections? Speaking of which, how in God's name Georgia managed to get onto US list of "democracies"?! :D
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Georgia demanded the replacement of the non-neutral occupation force. S. Ossetia was recognized by the international community as Georgian territory. The U.N. did not recognize S. Ossetian independence. Those Occupation forces on Georgian territory without Georgian permission was in itself an act of war. Does the U.S. have a right to go to war with Iran because they won't recognize Kurdish independence? If you support Russian actions in Georgia then you must say yes or be labeled a hypocrite.
 
Elena said:
1. And the US leadership doesn't? no

2. and the US leadership doesn't crack down on it's own population with opressive laws, domestic policies that breed poverty and torture of foreigners in the name of US interests? We would not know how to do these things

3. remind me please that story with "stolen" Bush elections? Bush never "stole an election".

Isn't it time the US power elites stopped holding US people for stoopid? If they are really concerned for the welfare of human species, why don't they start with their own country -- the US? This was done over 200 years ago.
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No nation on this planet is perfect, or even close.
Our nation bends over backward to be "perfect"; But I take exception your your half truths and outright lies, Elena.
I detect envy and jealousy.
 
Agent Ferris said:
Well the elections in Iran didn't really matter in the first place because there is a closed circle of power in which the Supreme Leader rules, well Supreme. ... We all know that protesters from the Iranian elections are still missing, either dead or imprisoned.
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And what business is it of the United States?

Agent Ferris said:
Iran is not a democracy
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Neither is the US.

Agent Ferris said:
Um no we have what is known as a pluralist society, in a pluralist society there are what are known as special interests many of which in competition with one another which give citizens a direct ear to the government.
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And the government happens to suffer from a condition known as Glue ear -- the cause of partial deafness.
 
Red_Dave said:
My point was that if Russia has a right to intervene in other countrys on, what to an extent, could be called a humanitarian basis than why cant the U.S?
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Were Iranians the American citizens who were attacked by a third party in their own country with the US peacekeepers there also under attack?
 
Elena said:
Were Iranians the American citizens who were attacked by a third party in their own country with the US peacekeepers there also under attack?
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So if it wasnt for the presence of russian peacekeepers prior to the intervention the intervention would have been unjustified?
 
Agent Ferris said:
Georgia demanded the replacement of the non-neutral occupation force.
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1. Georgia was part of that force.

2. Georgia can demand what it wants within its own borders. The fact it does not agree with S.Ossetian independence is not S.Ossetian headache.

3. If you want to continue talking about Georgian war, there is a dedicated thread for it.
 
Elena said:
And what business is it of the United States?
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It's America's business because the current Iranian regime has perpetrated numerous acts of war against the U.S. starting with the Lebanese bombings, the hostage crisis, to arming the Taliban in Afghanistan and Sadre Army in Iraq.


Neither is the US.
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Yes it is, it is a Republic which utilizes representative democracy.

And the government happens to suffer from a condition known as Glue ear -- the cause of partial deafness.
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Funny that you just made the argument that these special interests and not the elected representatives which run the country. So which is it? Make up your mind.
 
earthworm said:
No nation on this planet is perfect, or even close.
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Amen to that!

Are Iranians monitoring your country? No. And your country should mind its own business.
 
Elena said:
1. Georgia was part of that force.
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Georgia demanded its replacement with an actual neutral force. Sorry but 2 > 1.

2. Georgia can demand what it wants within its own borders. The fact it does not agree with S.Ossetian independence is not S.Ossetian headache.
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S. Ossetia was recognized by the international community as Georgian territory. Once again do you support the U.S. going to war with Iran because they refuse to acknowledge Kurdish independence or are you a hypocrite?
 
Agent Ferris said:
Such as?



Such as?



Such as?



Coercive interrogation of known unlawful combatants is not the same thing as torturing political dissidents.



lol Bush won Florida and it has since been proven conclusively Furthermore; it took the SCOTUS IIRC months to deliberate on the issue, the Iranian theocrats declared Ahmadinejad the winner in a day.
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Agent Ferris, you BELIEVE your own propaganda literally. Continue to do so, I am not going to deflower your innocence.
 
Agent Ferris said:
The Iranians need to quit committing acts of war against the U.S. by proxy. How about that?
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Are they doing something untoward on the US territory?! :shock:
 
Red_Dave said:
So if it wasnt for the presence of russian peacekeepers prior to the intervention the intervention would have been unjustified?
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You are forgetting that around 85 -- 90% of S.Ossetians are the citizens of Russian Federation.
 
Elena said:
You are forgetting that around 85 -- 90% of S.Ossetians are the citizens of Russian Federation.
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Ok maybe Yeltsins intervention in Transnistra/Moldova would be a better example.
 
Elena said:
You are forgetting that around 85 -- 90% of S.Ossetians are the citizens of Russian Federation.
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Ya um Russia has just been granting them Russian citizenship, they aren't actually Russian, by your logic the U.S. could grant dual citizenship to citizens in the Kurdish region of Iran and use that as a pretext to invade Iran.
 
Agent Ferris said:
1. It's America's business because the current Iranian regime has perpetrated numerous acts of war against the U.S. starting with the Lebanese bombings, the hostage crisis, to arming the Taliban in Afghanistan and Sadre Army in Iraq.


2. Funny that you just made the argument that these special interests and not the elected representatives which run the country. So which is it? Make up your mind.
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1. And what America is doing in Lebanon and Iraq?

Did you just mention Taliban? Is it the same Taliban that the US armed, financed and trained against the USSR? Well, the US fell into the pit it was digging for others... Poetical justice.

2. Er?...
 
Elena said:
Agent Ferris, you BELIEVE your own propaganda literally. Continue to do so, I am not going to deflower your innocence.
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So you think that using coercive interrogation against foreign enemies plotting to attack the U.S. is the equivalent of torturing citizens for protesting government policies?
 
Elena said:
1. And what America is doing in Lebanon and Iraq?
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We were in Lebanon for a peacekeeping mission. We are in Iraq because Saddam committed numerous acts of war against the U.S..

Did you just mention Taliban? Is it the same Taliban that the US armed, financed and trained against the USSR?
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The Taliban didn't exist during the Afghan-Soviet war.
 
Agent Ferris said:
Georgia demanded its replacement with an actual neutral force.


S. Ossetia was recognized by the international community as Georgian territory.
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Georgia can demand whatever it wants on its own territory.

And S.Ossetia put a big one on the "international community" that thinks nothing of bombing civilians in Belgrade and concealing atrocities committed against civilian Serbs. Where is your "international community" with regard to the US war in Afghanistan and Iraq?
Your "international community" needs to get its act together if it wants to engage in righteous posturing.
 
Red_Dave said:
Ok maybe Yeltsins intervention in Transnistra/Moldova would be a better example.
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Yeltsyn was the US pet, let him burn in hell.

As for Transdnistra, do you know that not only they have Russian money and Russian flag, and Russian passports, they are waiting with anticipation to become part of Russian Federation, especially if Romania will get its way and will annex what is now called Moldova.
 
Agent Ferris said:
Ya um Russia has just been granting them Russian citizenship, they aren't actually Russian, by your logic the U.S. could grant dual citizenship to citizens in the Kurdish region of Iran and use that as a pretext to invade Iran.
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So Russia now invaded S.Ossetia? What else?

After the fall of the Soviet Union Russia was LEGALY obliged to grant its citizenship to ANYONE who was born in the USSR and members of their families.

So why the US doesn't grant its citizenship to Kurds?
 
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