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    Re: Egypt set to ban Bhurka

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    No more beekeepers in Egypt?
    Is honey halal? I'll have to look that up.
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    Re: Egypt set to ban Bhurka

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    The term "free" is the rub. If the things are allowed, a lot of families will no doubt compel their women to wear them.

    This is after all, a coutry, perhaps one of the major countries, where female circumcision is practiced.

    Like so many things in government, people are trying to balance one freedom against another.
    And like so many things when you involve government is regulation of rights; it will fail. You're not addressing the core issue, you're merely endorsing a bandaid so we don't have to look at the core issue anymore. And in a way which empowers the government over the people....not really making progress on this one.
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    Re: Egypt set to ban Bhurka

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    It'll be a shock to women who have worn these their whole lives, to suddenly not be allowed to wear them. Just when does the government get to decide what a person does and doesn't wear? The niqab isn't an issue of public safety so the government should stay out of it.
    This isn't an Egyptian government edict. It's a religious fatwa by the highest Islamic authority in Egypt.

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    Re: Egypt set to ban Bhurka

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    You need to educate people and that is often hard when the main education source is religious schools who have a vested interest in keeping the status quo. We had the same problem in Christianity for centuries. It was only when governments took education away from the Church that things began to change.
    "only when governments took education away from the Church that things began to change". This is a bothersome statement. Are you saying that relions should not be allowed to have schools ? Or are you just saying that religions do not run schools in a very civilized way ?

    A truly free society should have an option as to religious vs secular schools.
    The parents should have evry right to send their children to either one as long as they are prepared to their own way ina religious just as for any private school.
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    Re: Egypt set to ban Bhurka

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    "only when governments took education away from the Church that things began to change". This is a bothersome statement. Are you saying that relions should not be allowed to have schools ? Or are you just saying that religions do not run schools in a very civilized way ?

    A truly free society should have an option as to religious vs secular schools.
    The parents should have evry right to send their children to either one as long as they are prepared to their own way ina religious just as for any private school.
    I think he was saying that religion should not have a monopoly on education in that their should be a large, free, and public option. I myself feel that religious indoctrination is a form of child abuse and would like to see the abolition of religion in general, but I wouldn't go so far as to support state enforcement of closing down religious indoctrination centers.

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    Re: Egypt set to ban Bhurka

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    It'll be a shock to women who have worn these their whole lives, to suddenly not be allowed to wear them. Just when does the government get to decide what a person does and doesn't wear? The niqab isn't an issue of public safety so the government should stay out of it.
    Yup !! the government needs to stay out of the niqab and people bedrooms!!

    or is that the government needs to stay out of the bedroom is it's wearing a niqab lol !
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    Re: Egypt set to ban Bhurka

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    I think he was saying that religion should not have a monopoly on education in that their should be a large, free, and public option. I myself feel that religious indoctrination is a form of child abuse and would like to see the abolition of religion in general, but I wouldn't go so far as to support state enforcement of closing down religious indoctrination centers.
    Well all schools are an indoctrination in one way or anther.
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    Re: Egypt set to ban Bhurka

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    Well all schools are an indoctrination in one way or anther.
    Not really. Saying that teaching evolution is akin to teaching creationism is faulty in that one is a fact and the other is fiction. Teaching facts is not a form of indoctrination.

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    Re: Egypt set to ban Bhurka

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Not really. Saying that teaching evolution is akin to teaching creationism is faulty in that one is a fact and the other is fiction. Teaching facts is not a form of indoctrination.
    yes teaching facts is not an indoctrination per se but teaching values is. That does not mean that certain values are wrong. Teaching patriotism, ethics, citizeship are a form of indoctrination but those are good values so no one in heir right mind should object!!!
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    Re: Egypt set to ban Bhurka

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    "only when governments took education away from the Church that things began to change". This is a bothersome statement. Are you saying that relions should not be allowed to have schools ? Or are you just saying that religions do not run schools in a very civilized way ?

    A truly free society should have an option as to religious vs secular schools.
    The parents should have evry right to send their children to either one as long as they are prepared to their own way ina religious just as for any private school.
    Historically, schooling was the domain of the church. Hence the church limited access to "selected subjects", usually the elite and left the masses in a state of stupidity. Stupid people are easier to convince that the earth is flat, and the woman who has an opinion is a witch.

    I am not saying anything about religious run schools today in the Christian world although I am against those that brain wash their pupils with religious stupidity. Am I worried when religious bull**** is used in higher education and accepted as a "good school".. you bet I am, but so far this lunacy is only evident in the US. What worries me the most is when religious lunacy is being pushed in armed forces.. that scares the crap out of me.

    However in the Islamic world, the poor parts of society has for the most part one source of education.. schools run by Islamic clergy. This is a problem, just as it was a problem 500+ years ago in Europe. This means that religion is taught above basic educational skills and things like logic and science. This is the single biggest way to keep people "dumb" and hence under the control of the religious fanatics. It is especially evident when it comes to women who are often denied any education at all, since religious schools often dont accept women because they believe they do not "deserve" an education.

    As I stated, when society dumped the church, then society grew. Women were freed from the male dominated church inspired shackles and the masses were given (slowly) access to basic education. It is sad how many people forget how influential the Church once was and how it held back humanity for centuries.
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