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    Re: ElBaradei says nuclear Israel number one threat to Mideast: report

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    I'm sorry I frankly, having studied nuclear deterrence theory think that Iran has the right to deter a nuclear strike from Israel.
    This is sound only if you can show rthat Iran is in danger of any such strike.
    Under what conditions would Israel nuke Iran?
    If Israel is a threat, why hasnt it used those nukes?

    Two bad countries with bad nukes is better than one bad country with a nuke.
    Israel is no more a "bad" country thatn the UK.

    I suppose its a good thing France has nukes too, else there'd be no deterrent to the UK nuking them.
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    Re: ElBaradei says nuclear Israel number one threat to Mideast: report

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    I'm sorry I frankly, having studied nuclear deterrence theory think that Iran has the right to deter a nuclear strike from Israel. This will keep either side from launching a nuke. Iran will not be able to launch a nuke without a guaranteed strike by a nuclear Israel. Neither side can fire. Two bad countries with bad nukes is better than one bad country with a nuke.( I studied it years ago Im prolly rusty but the concept is basic ) Sounds to me like alot of things people say around you probably strikes you as support for terrorists.
    lol Iran was founded on the principle of the second coming of the 12th Iman and that nationalism = idle worship.

    "We do not worship Iran, we worship Allah. For patriotism is another name for paganism. I say let this land [Iran] burn. I say let this land go up in smoke, provided Islam emerges triumphant in the rest of the world." -- Ayatollah Khomeini

    Ya MAD will work real well when one of the players is seeking martyrdom for the sake of a religion.

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    Re: ElBaradei says nuclear Israel number one threat to Mideast: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    while providing none whatsoever yourself, I might point out.

    RAFSANJANI SAYS MUSLIMS SHOULD USE NUCLEAR WEAPON AGAINST ISRAL
    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deterrence_theory]Deterrence theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    Hope you dont think wikipedia is a bastion of liberal bias or anything.


    Anyways your point is extremely strong. are these religious leaders to be trusted? I doubt that, behind the doors, the decisions would be left to them, they may have a great say but im sure authority and information are spread across a bureaucracy.

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    Re: ElBaradei says nuclear Israel number one threat to Mideast: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This is sound only if you can show rthat Iran is in danger of any such strike.
    Under what conditions would Israel nuke Iran?
    If Israel is a threat, why hasnt it used those nukes?

    Israel is no more a "bad" country thatn the UK.

    I suppose its a good thing France has nukes too, else there'd be no deterrent to the UK nuking them.
    This is completely sound, acquisition of the methods and infrastructure to deploy nukes to other countries is implied intent to use them under a particular circumstance. Thats just how it works, i didnt write the rules of how states interact.

    I hear in england they've always been jealous of the food in france.
    And Israel is an apartheid state, that is certainly un-good.

    It will not use nukes unless a nation is actually taking steps to invade it. Hence, deterrence.

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    Re: ElBaradei says nuclear Israel number one threat to Mideast: report

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    This is completely sound...
    Only if you show that Iran is in danger of any such strike.
    Under what conditions would Israel nuke Iran?
    What indicates that Israel is an offensive nuclear threat?
    What indicates that Israeli nukes need to be deterred?
    If Israel is a threat, why hasnt it used those nukes?

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    Re: ElBaradei says nuclear Israel number one threat to Mideast: report

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Deterrence theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Hope you dont think wikipedia is a bastion of liberal bias or anything.


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    I support liberalism. I hope you don't think the Mullahs are a bastion of liberal bias or anything.

    As to the Mad doctrine, I was studying this at the univeristy level in 1972. Kissinger was quite the rage, then.

    thanks for the link, though
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    idea Re: ElBaradei says nuclear Israel number one threat to Mideast: report

    Only if you show that Iran is in danger of any such strike.
    It's really not, the nukes are just pointed in their direction.

    Under what conditions would Israel nuke Iran?
    If threatened with invasion.

    What indicates that Israel is an offensive nuclear threat?
    Its possession of an overkill load of nukes with the capability to eliminate every neighbor it has. Possession is the threat.

    What indicates that Israeli nukes need to be deterred?
    So a racist, expansionist, zionist state whose military, that has shown little to no problem with committing warcrimes against civilians cannot be allowed to strike under any circumstance.

    If Israel is a threat, why hasnt it used those nukes?
    The Soviets were a threat. Why didn't they use them? Oh yeah, they were defensive. Hrrm.

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    Re: ElBaradei says nuclear Israel number one threat to Mideast: report

    I understand my arguments go both ways by the way.

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    Re: ElBaradei says nuclear Israel number one threat to Mideast: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    The term "Zionist" is racist and uncalled for. This is proof of your bias. As such, nothing you say will be taken seriously.
    Zionist is not a racist term...
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    Re: ElBaradei says nuclear Israel number one threat to Mideast: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    He's attacking Israel instead of doing his job. That shows support for terrorists. He's attacking Israel instead of working with to disarm Iran. That makes him a terrorist.

    ElBaradei CANNOT be allowed to muddy the message about the threat posed by Iran's nuclear program. He is trying to do exactly that! Therefore, he clearly has sided with the terrorist government of Iran. This makes his a terrorist.
    God, you make me wonder if you actually read your own posts. He's not attacking Israel. Attacking and critiquing are hardly the same thing. Stop spinning things with massive amount of emotional hyperbole. Thanks in advance.
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