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    Re: Toyota Says Company Is ‘Grasping for Salvation’

    There is a political battle going on internally in Toyota, hence the gloom and doom. In reality it is one of the most healthy car companies out there. Yea it has lost money.. for the first time in decades.. I doubt a few quarters of loosing money will break the bank so to say.
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    Re: Toyota Says Company Is ‘Grasping for Salvation’

    Toyota Highlander Hybrid--here I come.

    American, we can make out in the back seat.

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    Re: Toyota Says Company Is ‘Grasping for Salvation’

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Damn it! We were planning to buy a Toyota Highlander Hybrid this year.

    I love my Camry.
    Your Camry was probably made down the road from me in Georgetown, KY !!

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    Re: Toyota Says Company Is ‘Grasping for Salvation’

    I hope they stay afloat, Toyota makes a damn good automobile.
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    Re: Toyota Says Company Is ‘Grasping for Salvation’

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Now weren't there some people who said the American carmakers were the biggest idiots (greedy crooks screwing the unions and American public), and now we see the biggest of them all doing the same exact thing?
    How was Toyota doing the same thing?

    Does Toyota (and Honda) have the same pension problems as the Smaller Three?

    Does Toyota (and Honda) have the same union problems?

    Does Toyota (and Honda) have the same manufacturing and design process problems?

    Does Toyota (and Honda) have the same type of car problems?

    Does Toyota (and Honda) have the same lack of diversification problems?

    When your major market drops 41%, it's hard to not take a beating independent of anything else.

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    Re: Toyota Says Company Is ‘Grasping for Salvation’

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The big problem with both has been poor management. I think Toyota will react faster and better. Toyota is only the biggest as of this year, and that because GM was even more poorly managed.
    Not to mention that Toyota probably has significant foreign cash reserves that aren't recognized on its SEC filings. If necessary, it will spend them. The Smaller Three don't have that kind of money.
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    Re: Toyota Says Company Is ‘Grasping for Salvation’

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    How was Toyota doing the same thing?

    Does Toyota (and Honda) have the same pension problems as the Smaller Three?

    Does Toyota (and Honda) have the same union problems?

    Does Toyota (and Honda) have the same manufacturing and design process problems?

    Does Toyota (and Honda) have the same type of car problems?

    Does Toyota (and Honda) have the same lack of diversification problems?

    When your major market drops 41%, it's hard to not take a beating independent of anything else.

    It helps to know what you are talking about before posting.
    I don't know about that, but I do know that Toyota just recalled 3.8 million vehicles after a family was killed in California.

    And last week, they announced the recall of 2000 & 2001 Tundra pickups for possible corrosion and brake failure problems.

    So, they are not without significant problems.

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    Re: Toyota Says Company Is ‘Grasping for Salvation’

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    I don't know about that, but I do know that Toyota just recalled 3.8 million vehicles after a family was killed in California.

    And last week, they announced the recall of 2000 & 2001 Tundra pickups for possible corrosion and brake failure problems.

    So, they are not without significant problems.
    Aside from maybe wood toys that get no chemical treatment, it's hard to find a manufacturer of anything that doesn't have these problems. That said, Toyota and Honda don't have the problems that the Smaller Three have.

    I never really paid that much attention to most recalls, considering that the companies recall mainly to avoid future lawsuits when the possibility of that things going wrong is remote. The recent recall I believe was on the driver seat mat pads. Now, if you're not an idiot, you won't let those bunch up causing the problem. But Toyota recalled them anyways. It's more fear of being sued rather than actual problem. Same goes for the other manufacturers. But in terms of reliability, Toyota and Honda are far ahead of GM and Chrysler. Not so much Ford after Ford spent basically the bank to close the gap.

    Toyota derives an excessive amount of money from technology and patent licensing and Honda makes all kinds of things that use motors, from cars to lawnmowers. The Smaller Three don't have that kind of diversification. And we all know that Toyota and Honda don't have the union/pension problems that have put Detroit on its deathbed. Furthermore, from design to production, the timetable for Toyota and Honda is far less than the Smaller Three.

    Toyota's biggest problem is that its main market saw 41% fall out. That's hard to deal with no matter what industry and what practices you do.
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    Re: Toyota Says Company Is ‘Grasping for Salvation’

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child
    But Toyota recalled them anyways. It's more fear of being sued rather than actual problem.
    Tell that to the family of four that were killed by this "actual" problem. The driver was a State Trooper, so I seriously doubt he was a "stupid" driver.

    and it appears that Toyota has been trying to silence whistle blowers:

    The automaker could be in for an even worse time if it can’t find a way to shut down attorney Dimitrios Biller. He’s the former national managing counsel who oversaw the company's National Rollover Program from 2003 to 2007. Now he's a whistle-blower claiming the Japanese giant has been hiding potentially damning evidence that should have been provided to owners who’ve sued the company over allegedly defective products.

    Toyota has tried to place a gag order on Biller and to paint him as a disgruntled former employee with a history of suing his employers. But last week, a federal judge in Texas issued a temporary restraining order to keep the carmaker from destroying any evidence regarding the crashworthiness of its vehicles.
    Toyota's reputation takes a pounding - The Driver's Seat- msnbc.com

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    Re: Toyota Says Company Is ‘Grasping for Salvation’

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Tell that to the family of four that were killed by this "actual" problem. The driver was a State Trooper, so I seriously doubt he was a "stupid" driver.
    Want to compare that to the total number of people who drive that car without a problem? Furthermore, it doesn't matter what your job is. You can still be a stupid driver. Ever ride with a Cop? I'm guessing not.

    Do you know just how many 2007-2010 model year Toyota Camry, 2005-2010 Toyota Avalon, 2004-2009 Toyota Prius, 2005-2010 Tacoma, 2007-2010 Toyota Tundra, 2007-2010 Lexus ES350 and 2006-2010 Lexus IS250 and IS350 there are out there?

    3.8 million cars recalled.....for accidents of 102 since 2004. Really. Are you seriously trying to argue that I'm wrong here? That's a bit over 20 a year. For 3.8 MILLION cars.

    You do realize that this is very similar to the whole crib recall fiasco? One kid gets killed and they recall millions of cribs despite months and years of no problems.

    You are getting further and further from the original subject.

    How does Toyota have the same problems as the Smaller Three?
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