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    Re: Obama's Olympic Failure Highlights Limits of His International Appeal

    I'll let others abroad of the U.S. speak for me on this issue...

    To those Americans viscerally anti-Obama:

    You've got more genuine respect in the world than you've had for over a decade. And why? Because your compatriots had the good sense to vote in someone who's not an up-himself-elsewhere sabre rattler.

    Someone who at least has some intellect and knows there are other places beyond your shores. You probably couldn't care less, but how America's viewed by the rest of the world matters. Obama knows that.

    Notwithstanding the current world financial crisis emanates from the Right wing ideology of not so much a free market, but a naked one, and began its inevitable collapse where you are, you really have to despair over whether some of you lot will ever wake up to yourselves.

    How on earth can you justify criticism of Obama when your only alternative has just presided over this whole disaster?

    Until you comprehend that you can't bully everyone into accepting your mantra of so-called "freedom", you can't "buy" everything, that other cultures are different because that's just how it is, and that the world outside of the good ol' US of A knows it, barricade yourselves in in the way only you know how. You'll not be missed.
    ...and...

    Does America realise that they do not have automatic title to field the Olympics very 12/16 years when they snap their fingers? There are other continents with the right to a shot. The USA needs to finally get it through its head that the world is not only America and the great dollar. Anyway the music's better in Brazil!!
    'Nuff said, but I will add this...

    While I somewhat lean towards the opinion some have that this wasn't necessarily an issue the President needed to lobby for personally, I do think that in our current economic climate it would have been a mistake for him or someone within his Administration not to go. I mean, other countries were sending their figure heads...why not the U.S., too?

    Of course, if he hadn't gone I'm sure there would have also been some who would have critizied him anyway for not going. It's one of those issues where you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. Either way, somebody would have seen cause to point a finger at him. I give him an "A" for effort, but even I knew Chicago wasn't going to win when up against Rio, Madrid and Tokyo.

    Rio, despite all it's faults, is a party place and has alot more to offer in terms of culture, tourism, leisurely activities not to mention everyone wants to go there! I mean, it's Rio!!! When compared to Chicago, how could you not consideration them first?
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    Re: Obama's Olympic Failure Highlights Limits of His International Appeal

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Oh I see so how much longer before we can stop blaming Bush? Let me guess, in 8 years if a Republican is elected we can blame him, otherwise it remains Bush.
    Bush will never stop getting blame. The same as Clinton, Bush Sr., Carter, Johnson, Nixon, etc. still receive blame.
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    Re: Obama's Olympic Failure Highlights Limits of His International Appeal

    Frankly I couldn't care less where the Olympics are. I think Chicago was a lousy US choice, but that's another discussion. This is about Obama wasting his time with personal agendas, rather than his duties.
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    Re: Obama's Olympic Failure Highlights Limits of His International Appeal

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Frankly I couldn't care less where the Olympics are. I think Chicago was a lousy US choice, but that's another discussion. This is about Obama wasting his time with personal agendas, rather than his duties.
    His duties don't involve representing American on the world stage and trying to bring potentially billions of dollars of revenue to the country?

    I do agree Chicago was a terrible choice of location. And personally wonder if Obama would fought so publicly if it was any other city.
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    Re: Obama's Olympic Failure Highlights Limits of His International Appeal

    I just don't remember any other president making a special trip to sell their home town (or any town) for the Olympics. I see that as the duty of the mayor of Chicago or state representatives.
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    Re: Obama's Olympic Failure Highlights Limits of His International Appeal

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    This is about Obama wasting his time with personal agendas, rather than his duties.
    I think it was his duty as the leader of this country to go out and represent it as best he could for this international event. So, he didn't win the bid. No big deal. The world's not coming to and end.

    All the news articles that have been critical I think are making way too big a deal out of this. Maybe you do send a lower-ranking delegate to lobby for Chi-Town, but considering that the leaders of the other countries that were in the running also were in attendance, I think it would have been foolish for our President not to go. It would have been a different case if Rio, Tokyo and Spain had sent their city mayors (or the equavilent) or an Ambassador, but they didn't. Their leaders went and lobby for their nation same as our President did. From that perspective, I see nothing wrong with our nation's president doing the same thing.

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    Re: Obama's Olympic Failure Highlights Limits of His International Appeal

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I just don't remember any other president making a special trip to sell their home town (or any town) for the Olympics. I see that as the duty of the mayor of Chicago or state representatives.
    So we send a Senator and/or a Mayor and the other countries send their President's and Kings? I think we would lose the bid just on lack of commitment.

    I would speculate if Obama didn't attempt a campaign for the bid the headlines would be reading, "Obama denies the US billions of dollars in revenue by ignoring Olympic host bid", instead off what they are, which is his failure at winning the bid he campaigns for. It's really a no one situation for him.
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    Re: Obama's Olympic Failure Highlights Limits of His International Appeal

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Wrong, we have the Messiah of Liberalism in power now. He will deliver us, but his current attempts have failed. Countries around the world hailed his election. That should automatically have catapulted us into a fresh start.
    Mr. Corsi seems to have made a strong impression on you.

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    Re: Obama's Olympic Failure Highlights Limits of His International Appeal

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Why don't you quote my entire post?
    Why would I need to quote the whole post to make my point? This part sounds just like the talking heads in the DNC and the Liberals who parrott it:

    Quote: Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum
    Anyone who thinks Fox news is really 'fair and balanced' is deluding themselves. This article is so blatantly biased, it's laughable

    ......But they need to brush up on their finesse in hiding their obvious slant to the news a little better, for God's sake!


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    Re: Obama's Olympic Failure Highlights Limits of His International Appeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Sure thing. There were 4 bidding cities, Tokyo, Chicago, Rio, and Madrid.

    Tokyo Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama was there.
    Spanish King Juan Carlos was there.
    Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva was there.
    President Obama was there.
    I should have asked how many US Presidents have attended and made presentations.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Economically it makes sense if winning the bid could bring billions of dollars of revenue to the country. Would you support Obama savings a few tens of thousands of dollars to possibly forfeit billions of potential revenue?
    Why are you so convinced that a US city is incapable of winning an Olympic venue without the President being there to make their case?

    As far as I can tell, this is unprecedented for an American President and the first time a US President went before the Olympic Committee to lobby for it.

    So back to my point, with all the other issues we are dealing with, is this wise use of Taxpayer money?

    How much do you think it costs to fly the President and Michelle in separate aircraft to Copenhagen with their security details? Do you really think it is tens of thousands?

    The flight isn't cheap. In a 2006 report, U.S. Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee came up with the following figures: $56,518 per hour to fly Air Force One and $6,960 per hour to fly the accompanying cargo planes.

    According to the White House Web site, "Several cargo planes typically fly ahead of Air Force One to provide the president with services needed in remote locations." If you assume "several" means three, that's roughly $77,000 per flight hours for one trip. It's about 440 miles from Andrews Air Force Base to the South Bend airport, so roughly two hours round trip, for a flight cost of $154,000. "The taxpayer bears most of the cost," according to Waxman's report.

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