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    Re: Ireland votes 'yes' to EU and Lisbon

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    In short words, can someone explain to me the major consequences of this vote?
    good consequences on both the efficiency and legitimacy levels.

    More power to both EU & national parliaments, new vote system, representation of the Union via a "president" (not like the US president, rather a chairman without real power)

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    Re: Ireland votes 'yes' to EU and Lisbon

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I'll be frank.
    I don't think Poland and the other teenie and insignificant countries in Europe should have the same power as the major countries in Europe like Germany, France, UK.
    That is the exact opposite of what you've just said.

    Before the Lisbon treaty, the Parliament had limited powers. The Commission had a lot of power, each state (Luxemburg or Germany) have the same power (one vote each)

    With the progress of the European Integration, the Parliament has got more and more power, which is very democratic since the votes are weighed according to the population of each member state.

    With the Lisbon treaty, 80% of the laws will be co-decided by the Parliament, where UK has got 73 votes while so-called "insignificant" countries like Belgium or Sweden get 22 votes and Germany 96.

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    The needs of Britain cannot be met if we have to cater to the tiny countries and yes, UK should reserve its right to veto as should Germany and France.
    UK pays alot into Europe. More than Poland i'll bloody bet as well, we should have more say on what happens with that money otherwise if we get one vote and Poland gets one vote. Make sure the same amount of money is taken from ALL countries. So if we are paying 4bn+. Those small countries should pay the same amount
    that is totally ridiculous and impressively misinformed

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    Re: Ireland votes 'yes' to EU and Lisbon

    Quote Originally Posted by Elena View Post
    Actually, the economies of Poland, Czech, Bulgaria, etc. are dependent on EU financing; they are TAKING OUT of EU.
    that's the principle of the EU: fund poor countries so that they get rich and enter the EU single market. Worked with Spain, Greece, Portugal and Ireland. Now working with Poland, Bulgaria...

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    Re: Ireland votes 'yes' to EU and Lisbon

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    that's the principle of the EU: fund poor countries so that they get rich and enter the EU single market. Worked with Spain, Greece, Portugal and Ireland. Now working with Poland, Bulgaria...
    Don't make me laugh!

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    Re: Ireland votes 'yes' to EU and Lisbon

    Quote Originally Posted by Elena View Post
    Don't make me laugh!
    what don't you understand in the principle of solidarity? Furthermore, it's not just Bulgaria or Poland that are benefiting from EU fundings, it's also Wales

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    Re: Ireland votes 'yes' to EU and Lisbon

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    In short words, can someone explain to me the major consequences of this vote?
    Despotism advances a little further.
    "It is written in the eternal constitution that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." - Edmund Burke

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    Re: Ireland votes 'yes' to EU and Lisbon

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    what don't you understand in the principle of solidarity? Furthermore, it's not just Bulgaria or Poland that are benefiting from EU fundings, it's also Wales
    I'm a distributist; a follower of Catholic social teaching. We invented the term subsidiarity and the EU certainly does not understand it. It shows no respect for the lowest social grouping possible making the decisions. It shows little appreciation for decentralism and in fact is itself against he very idea of subsidiarity as it is not only mostly unnecessary but profoundly dangerous, due to its size and centralism, to genuine decentralism and subsidiarity.

    This vote is a sorty state of affairs but at least we eurosceptics can take comfort in the fact that the fiasco over the EU constitution/Lisbon treaty has shown what the EUroplot really is and that Ireland represents very little as the bastards let no one else vote on the piece of rabid despotism and treason dressed up as a treaty.
    "It is written in the eternal constitution that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." - Edmund Burke

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    Re: Ireland votes 'yes' to EU and Lisbon

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    what don't you understand in the principle of solidarity?
    I have no problem with the principle, I just can't understand how a grown up person can believe in it with regard to EU and its internal colonies.

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    Re: Ireland votes 'yes' to EU and Lisbon

    Quote Originally Posted by Elena View Post
    I have no problem with the principle, I just can't understand how a grown up person can believe in it with regard to EU and its internal colonies.
    Indeed, I find it funny the EU even presumes to use our phrase in such an obviously inaccurate way. It is so very Newspeak and so very EU.
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    Re: Ireland votes 'yes' to EU and Lisbon

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Despotism advances a little further.
    yeah, despotism of the EU citizen

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