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    Ahmadinejad revealed to have Jewish past

    A photograph of the Iranian president holding up his identity card during elections in March 2008 clearly shows his family has Jewish roots.

    A close-up of the document reveals he was previously known as Sabourjian – a Jewish name meaning cloth weaver.

    The short note scrawled on the card suggests his family changed its name to Ahmadinejad when they converted to embrace Islam after his birth.

    The Sabourjians traditionally hail from Aradan, Mr Ahmadinejad's birthplace, and the name derives from the Jewish for "weaver of the Sabour", the name for the Jewish Tallit shawl in Persia. The name is even on the list of reserved names for Iranian Jews compiled by Iran's Ministry of the Interior.

    Experts last night suggested Mr Ahmadinejad's track record for hate-filled attacks on Jews could be an overcompensation to hide his past.

    Mahmoud Ahmadinejad revealed to have Jewish past - Telegraph

    Lol. Well that may explain it


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    Re: Ahmadinejad revealed to have Jewish past

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    A photograph of the Iranian president holding up his identity card during elections in March 2008 clearly shows his family has Jewish roots.

    A close-up of the document reveals he was previously known as Sabourjian a Jewish name meaning cloth weaver.

    The short note scrawled on the card suggests his family changed its name to Ahmadinejad when they converted to embrace Islam after his birth.

    The Sabourjians traditionally hail from Aradan, Mr Ahmadinejad's birthplace, and the name derives from the Jewish for "weaver of the Sabour", the name for the Jewish Tallit shawl in Persia. The name is even on the list of reserved names for Iranian Jews compiled by Iran's Ministry of the Interior.

    Experts last night suggested Mr Ahmadinejad's track record for hate-filled attacks on Jews could be an overcompensation to hide his past.

    Mahmoud Ahmadinejad revealed to have Jewish past - Telegraph

    Lol. Well that may explain it
    LOL, in Arabic we say "Eish kteer, b'tshoof kteer" meaning "live long, you'll see a lot"

    What else is new ?
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    shocked2 Mahmoud Ahmadinejad revealed to have Jewish past

    Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's vitriolic attacks on the Jewish world hide an astonishing secret, evidence uncovered by The Daily Telegraph shows.

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    By Damien McElroy and Ahmad Vahdat
    Published: 7:30AM BST 03 Oct 2009


    A photograph of the Iranian president holding up his identity card during elections in March 2008 clearly shows his family has Jewish roots.

    A close-up of the document reveals he was previously known as Sabourjian a Jewish name meaning cloth weaver.

    The short note scrawled on the card suggests his family changed its name to Ahmadinejad when they converted to embrace Islam after his birth.

    The Sabourjians traditionally hail from Aradan, Mr Ahmadinejad's birthplace, and the name derives from the Jewish for "weaver of the Sabour", the name for the Jewish Tallit shawl in Persia. The name is even on the list of reserved names for Iranian Jews compiled by Iran's Ministry of the Interior.
    If this is true... I'm speechless!

    Experts last night suggested Mr Ahmadinejad's track record for hate-filled attacks on Jews could be an overcompensation to hide his past.

    Ali Nourizadeh, of the Centre for Arab and Iranian Studies, said: "This aspect of Mr Ahmadinejad's background explains a lot about him.

    "Every family that converts into a different religion takes a new identity by condemning their old faith.
    Overcompensation makes some sense but not to the point of planning and building nuclear facilities with a clear aim of obliterating Israel.

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    Re: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad revealed to have Jewish past

    Apologies - Laila has already created a story on this thread in the M.E. section.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/middle...wish-past.html

    Could a Mod delete this thread please or merge the two?

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    Re: Ahmadinejad revealed to have Jewish past

    Experts last night suggested Mr Ahmadinejad's track record for hate-filled attacks on Jews could be an overcompensation to hide his past.
    I can't say that I've ever heard him make such attacks; only those who interpret criticisms of a political regime as being bigotry against an ethnic/cultural group would "discover" a basis for such allegations. We could see from his courting of Neturei Karta that the fundamental nature of his opposition is political in nature. Even if he does have a negative opinion of Jews in general (and I doubt that), it's unlikely that that was a pre-existing belief of his so much as it would be a means of directing hostility toward a category of people that he'd regard as being likely to support the Israeli government.

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    Re: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad revealed to have Jewish past

    I believe that makes him a 'self-hating' Jew.
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    Re: Ahmadinejad revealed to have Jewish past

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    I can't say that I've ever heard him make such attacks; only those who interpret criticisms of a political regime as being bigotry against an ethnic/cultural group
    I would like to stop you here.
    The cause for the labeling of Ahmedinjad as an anti-semite is not his hostility and hatred towards Israel, but because of his holocaust denial.

    I just felt like you were missing this point when you tried to analyze the situation.
    Carry on.
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    Re: Ahmadinejad revealed to have Jewish past

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I would like to stop you here.
    The cause for the labeling of Ahmedinjad as an anti-semite is not his hostility and hatred towards Israel, but because of his holocaust denial.
    That's probably not a sufficient basis to claim anything in the absence of other more serious offenses, since there are history skeptics who challenge the veracity of recording mechanisms of various previous events, for example. While I've never seen any evidence that he falls into this camp, I have seen evidence that his "holocaust denial" is in fact opposition to that legacy's exploitation by Israeli officials to justify their present activity, or at least, his perception that such exploitation occurs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I just felt like you were missing this point when you tried to analyze the situation. Carry on.
    No, I don't think so, especially since his noted opposition to governmental policy has often been seized upon for his detractors to attempt to supplement their claims of his Jew-hatred.

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    Re: Ahmadinejad revealed to have Jewish past

    By the way, there are also many Armenians who have Sabourjian as their last name. Almost all Armenian names end with "ian" or "yan" .
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    Re: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad revealed to have Jewish past

    Appears to be fairly damning evidence and the explanantion seems to be logical about his past. Yet as with all of the current comspiracy beliefs and lunatic fringe frothing at mouth such as where a president was born I am a bit guarded in accepting the "news". Let us remember that Hitler was also reported to have been dedecdents form one of the tribes.
    I do not recall the Viet Cong asking me if I was a natural born or Naturalized American before they shot at me, they just shot at all of us f107HyperSabr

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