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    Re: Ahmadinejad revealed to have Jewish past

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    I can't say that I've ever heard him make such attacks; only those who interpret criticisms of a political regime
    You don't consider holocaust denial to be an attack against Jews? The man called the holocaust a fabricated legend, a myth, and a lie.

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    Re: Ahmadinejad revealed to have Jewish past

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    That's probably not a sufficient basis to claim anything in the absence of other more serious offenses
    In the world of the extreme left holocaust denial is not anti-semetic. :ROLL: Catch a clue.

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    Re: Ahmadinejad revealed to have Jewish past

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    That's quite incorrect, and is in fact based on what have proven to be disingenuous allegations. We have in our sights a political figure who dislikes what he perceives as the exploitation of the holocaust by Israeli governmental figures to justify their present actions, and at best, is anti-Jewish only to the extent that Jews are a stereotyped target of his preconceived dislike of Israeli actions, as we know some regard world Jewry as synonymous with Israeli political regimes.
    No what we have is a political figure who is a holocaust denier. He has called the holocaust a fabricated myth, a legend, and a lie. Holocaust denial is a trademark of the Jew hater the idea that you are denying that fact is laughable. Find me a single holocaust denier on the planet that doesn't hate Jews. Oh wait Ahmadinejad, I guess he must be the sole exception to the rule.

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    Re: Ahmadinejad revealed to have Jewish past

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    As I noted, there are history skeptics who challenge the legitimacy of every variety of historical record
    The holocaust is the most documented and researched even of the 20th century, to deny that it happened is anti-semitic to the core. To say that it needs more research to be proven is anti-semitic to the core. End of story.

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    Re: Ahmadinejad revealed to have Jewish past

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    You don't consider holocaust denial to be an attack against Jews? The man called the holocaust a fabricated legend, a myth, and a lie.
    I have not seen the clip where Ahmadinajad denies the holocaust. But, do you know if he is saying the whole thing is a fraud? Or is he talking about parts of it that he feels is propaganda and then peoplle lable him as a denier of the whole thing altogether?


    I have no knowledge of his language and haven't seen then clip where he denies it though so ill search around.
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    Re: Ahmadinejad revealed to have Jewish past

    Wow I just watched it. Glad I finally did. It is interesting.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykd-syzZ4ZY"]YouTube - Iran's Ahmadinejad on Holocaust[/ame]
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    Re: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad revealed to have Jewish past

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    So we have a jew hater as Prez of Iran who is a jew. Amazing.
    No what we have is someone like you who parrots false stories.

    Put it to rest parrot read:

    The false story about Ahmedinejad being Jewish is a false story.

    False story making the wire services and internet:
    Mahmoud Ahmadinejad revealed to have Jewish past - Telegraph

    the debunking article revealing the above as a crock: :http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...-jewish-family

    "In June 2005, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's meteoric rise from mayor of Tehran to president of one of the most influential countries in the Middle East took everyone by surprise. One of the main reasons for the astonishment was that so little was known about him.

    One recently published claim about his background comes from an article in the Daily Telegraph. Entitled "Mahmoud Ahmadinejad revealed to have Jewish past", it claims that his family converted to Islam after his birth. The claim is based on a number of arguments, a key one being that his previous surname was Sabourjian which "derives from weaver of the sabour, the name for the Jewish tallit shawl in Persia".

    Professor David Yeroshalmi, author of The Jews of Iran in the 19th century and an expert on Iranian Jewish communities, disputes the validity of this argument. "There is no such meaning for the word 'sabour' in any of the Persian Jewish dialects, nor does it mean Jewish prayer shawl in Persian. Also, the name Sabourjian is not a well-known Jewish name," he stated in a recent interview. In fact, Iranian Jews use the Hebrew word "tzitzit" to describe the Jewish prayer shawl. Yeroshalmi, a scholar at Tel Aviv University's Center for Iranian Studies, also went on to dispute the article's findings that the "-jian" ending to the name specifically showed the family had been practising Jews. "This ending is in no way sufficient to judge whether someone has a Jewish background. Many Muslim surnames have the same ending," he stated.

    Upon closer inspection, a completely different interpretation of "Sabourjian" emerges. According to Robert Tait, a Guardian correspondent who travelled to Ahmadinejad's native village in 2005, the name "derives from thread painter sabor in Farsi a once common and humble occupation in the carpet industry in Semnan province, where Aradan is situated". This is confirmed by Kasra Naji, who also wrote a biography of Ahmadinejad and met his family in his native village. Carpet weaving or colouring carpet threads are not professions associated with Jews in Iran.

    According to both Naji and Tait, Ahmadinejad's father Ahmad was in fact a religious Shia, who taught the Quran before and after Ahmadinejad's birth and their move to Tehran. So religious was Ahmad Sabourjian that he bought a house near a Hosseinieh, a religious club that he frequented during the holy month of Moharram to mourn the martyrdom of Imam Hossein.

    Moreover, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's mother is a Seyyede. This is a title given to women whose family are believed to be direct bloodline descendants of Prophet Muhammad. Male members are given the title of Seyyed, and include prominent figures such as Iran's supreme leader Ali Khamenei. In Judaism, this is equivalent to the Cohens, who are direct descendants of Aaron, the brother of Moses. One has to be born into a Seyyed family: the title is never given to Muslims by birth, let alone converts. This makes it impossible for Ahmadinejad's mother to have been a Jew. In fact, she was so proud of her lineage that everyone in her native village of Aradan referred to her by her Islamic title, Seyyede.

    The reason that Ahmadinejad's father changed his surname has more to do with the class struggle in Iran. When it became mandatory to adopt surnames, many people from rural areas chose names that represented their professions or that of their ancestors. This made them easily identifiable as townfolk. In many cases they changed their surnames upon moving to Tehran, in order to avoid snobbery and discrimination from residents of the capital.

    The Sabourjians were one of many such families. Their surname was related to carpet-making, an industry that conjures up images of sweatshops. They changed it to Ahmadinejad in order to help them fit in. The new name was also chosen because it means from the race of Ahmad, one of the names given to Muhammad.

    According to Ahmadinejad's relatives the new name emphasised the family's piety and their dedication to their religion and its founder. This is something that the president and his relatives in Tehran and Aradan have maintained to the present day. Not because they are trying to deny their past, but because they are proud of it."

    It is amazing how some fool starts a false rumour and so many people run with it.

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    Re: Ahmadinejad revealed to have Jewish past

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    I have not seen the clip where Ahmadinajad denies the holocaust. But, do you know if he is saying the whole thing is a fraud? Or is he talking about parts of it that he feels is propaganda and then peoplle lable him as a denier of the whole thing altogether?


    I have no knowledge of his language and haven't seen then clip where he denies it though so ill search around.
    "They have fabricated a legend, under the name Massacre of the Jews, and they hold it higher than God himself, religion itself and the prophets themselves...If somebody in their country questions God, nobody says anything, but if somebody denies the myth of the massacre of Jews, the Zionist loudspeakers and the governments in the pay of Zionism will start to scream." -- Ahmadinejad

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    Re: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad revealed to have Jewish past

    Quote Originally Posted by Mika-El View Post
    No what we have is someone like you who parrots false stories.
    But are you denying that Ahmadinejad hates Jews? He's a holocaust denying POS.

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