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    Re: McChrystal Rejects Scaling Down

    the USSR was in afghanistan for 10 years with as many as 200,000 troops

    the soviets exhibited a ruthless WILL to win

    they didn't just lose, their evil empire collapsed

    our leadership lacks WILL

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    Re: McChrystal Rejects Scaling Down

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    and if he pulls out he will be held 100% responsible for our devastating defeat

    I dunno, I think a large portion of "the blame" should go to the dufus who got us into this mess with no clear goals and then put it on the back burner with reduced forces to go on a complete wild-goose chase in another country.

    Anyway, Gen. McChrystal is right to petition for what he thinks will bring a "win".

    The real question Obama has to decide before commiting more troops is:

    ... Is there really anything to "win" in Afghanistan.

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    Re: McChrystal Rejects Scaling Down

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    the USSR was in afghanistan for 10 years with as many as 200,000 troops

    the soviets exhibited a ruthless WILL to win

    they didn't just lose, their evil empire collapsed

    our leadership lacks WILL
    Interesting don't you think that we were covertly also fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan.

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    Re: McChrystal Rejects Scaling Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe1991 View Post
    I think a large portion of "the blame" should go to the dufus who got us into this mess
    it's obama's war because he's president and will be held responsible by the voters for everything, right or wrong

    and it's fair to consider it his war because of the way he campaigned so heavily on it

    had he run a different campaign, you'd have a point

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    Re: McChrystal Rejects Scaling Down

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Interesting don't you think that we were covertly also fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan.
    of course we did

    but afghanistan is practically unconquerable, because of the terrain and other factors

    it's why bin laden has been able to hide here and thereabouts for a decade with the whole world out to get him
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    Re: McChrystal Rejects Scaling Down

    [QUOTE=The Prof;1058287502]1. Mrs Alaska is not the only one "going rogue."

    2. On Thursday, at London's Institute for Strategic Studies, Obama's hand-picked commander in Afghanistan, General Stanley McChrystal, spoke with unanticipated candor, saying that suggestions to "scale down" his campaign in the region, proposed most notably last Sunday by VP Biden, would lead to "Chaos-istan."

    3. It has been known since September 21, when Bob Woodward leaked McChrystal's secret assessment describing our lack of progress in the theater, that the general is adamant in his recommendation for an entirely new strategy, emphasizing counter-insurgency over counter-terrorism, as well as an infusion of 40,000 additional troops.

    4. Of course, the day prior to Woodward's release, the president blitzed FIVE Sunday talk shows to dissemble that he had not yet been briefed about the battleground, that he had not yet been asked for reinforcements,

    5. And then, a week later, last Sunday, Biden revealed the White House's probable preference for a "middle ground" approach, employing drones and special forces in the Mountains on the Moon.


    First of all I would like to say that as a part of the US Special Operations we are already spread pretty thin. I have not been home for the last 3 Christmas’s and it looks like I will miss next years too. While this is what I volunteered for it is also what is causing a lot of experinced guys to get out for. You can only ask so much before it becomes to much. My wife is about done and that means so am I. So while politicians love to talk about using Spec Ops troops so as to make out involvement seem lees you have to remember that it puts a great strain on our elite troops and once the experienced troops are gone they take a long time to replace.

    And second of all anyone who says the war in Asscrackastain is unwinnable has no idea what they are talking about.
    President Franklin Roosevelt eulogized a fallen American Soldier by saying, “He stands in the unbroken line of patriots who have dared to die [that] freedom might live, and grow, and increase its blessings. Freedom lives, and through it he lives--in a way that humbles the undertakings of most men."

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    Re: McChrystal Rejects Scaling Down

    thank you for your service, you are a hero

    thank your wife and all your people, their sacrifices approach the severity of your own

    sadly, general mcchrystal himself says, without reinforcements the war is unwinnable

    please win for us, hang in, you have the devoted love and support of all patriotic americans

    cliff

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    Re: McChrystal Rejects Scaling Down

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    Well who do you think is supplying the opposition now?
    Nobody who can supply them with what we did.
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    Re: McChrystal Rejects Scaling Down

    Funny but I don't remember electing McChrystal as President??. Doesn't our Constitution make a clear point of having civilians control the military?
    Didn't Truman fire MacArthur...& not vice versa? (any general's voice should only be one of the voices a President listens to when setting U.S. policy)

    Afghanistan cannot be "Won" militarily alone & McChrystal can speak only to the military side of the problem. I still have not heard a clear definition (by McChrystal or anyone else) of exactly what "Victory" or "Winning" in Afghanistan is for the U.S. & when we can therefore leave? (& what's more important...Neither has Obama & I think that's why he's taking his time deciding what to do over there.)
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    Re: McChrystal Rejects Scaling Down

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    thank you for your service, you are a hero

    thank your wife and all your people, their sacrifices approach the severity of your own

    sadly, general mcchrystal himself says, without reinforcements the war is unwinnable

    please win for us, hang in, you have the devoted love and support of all patriotic americans

    cliff
    Thank you for the kind words but I am now hero. The Two of my brothers that were killed this past week are the real heros and there families need all the love and support they can get. The sad thing is they were fighting in the war on terror that no one knows talks about. That is the fight down in the Philippines. There loss will be missed just as much to there families no matter where they died.
    President Franklin Roosevelt eulogized a fallen American Soldier by saying, “He stands in the unbroken line of patriots who have dared to die [that] freedom might live, and grow, and increase its blessings. Freedom lives, and through it he lives--in a way that humbles the undertakings of most men."

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