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    Re: US relinquishes control of the internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    The arguement that the US is giving away a powerful weapon or anything of the sort is hilarious. ICANN didn't give the US any kind of advantage, and if we ever tried to use it in such a manner it would be downright reprehensible.
    If we control it, it means someone can't do it to us. And it wouldn't be reprehensible if it were under particular circumstances. Both are reasons to maintain control.

    Having ICANN be subject to US law, however, placed strong guarantees on free speech and expression that won't necessarily be upheld by an international organization.
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    Depending on how much influence China and other such nations are able to garner they could certainly politicize the domain registration process and censor political speech.
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    One can't jump to the conclusion that this will happen to what is currently a technical body, and I find it likely that principles condusive to a free and open internet will made binding when the shift does happen.
    We keep control, we make sure of that.


    There are concerns with subjecting ICANN to international oversight, but so long as it is done with a modicum of common sense it is the right thing to do.
    The concerns far outweigh the benefits.
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    Re: US relinquishes control of the internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    If they are obvious, you should be able to list them with no problem instead of evading the question.
    See my post immediately above.

    But it wasn't an evasion; it was getting him to answer his own question, because he already knew.
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    Re: US relinquishes control of the internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Why would US give up such a powerful tool .... willingly?
    It falls in line with the current agenda they have been following all year maniacally .. To flush the future down the toilet for everyone but bankers.
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    Re: US relinquishes control of the internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    When that humor is aimed at Palin, you should watch some of you righties get all bent though.
    Al Gore =/= Palin. Just sayin.

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    Re: US relinquishes control of the internet

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Al Gore =/= Palin. Just sayin.
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    Re: US relinquishes control of the internet

    I don't know too much about this issue, but it seems like a good idea to not have a single nation control the internet. What happens if the host nation passes censorship laws? I don't know if other nations would have any recourse.
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    Re: US relinquishes control of the internet

    The host nation is far less likely to do so than any other governing body on Earth and has always maintained a hands-off approach.

    It's also a decided strategic advantage for the host nation to maintain control.

    It is stupidity for the host nation to develop such a powerful tool and then willingly relinquish control.
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    Re: US relinquishes control of the internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    The host nation is far less likely to do so than any other governing body on Earth
    Again, I don't know too much about the issue so I don't know if this would be feasible, but does the internet NEED a lot of governance, other than just to establish things like .com, .net, .org? Couldn't this organization be multinational so that it isn't subject to the censorship whims of any particular nation, and not really govern at all aside from things like that?

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    and has always maintained a hands-off approach.
    True, but the world wide web has only been around for 15 years. Past performance is no guarantee of future results.

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    It's also a decided strategic advantage for the host nation to maintain control.
    How so?
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    Re: US relinquishes control of the internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I don't know too much about this issue, but it seems like a good idea to not have a single nation control the internet. What happens if the host nation passes censorship laws? I don't know if other nations would have any recourse.
    From what little I have read, I am not even sure if that would have an actual effect. I am unsure at best that the "host country" could censer content, except by not giving out web addresses(or DNS?) to people they do not approve of.
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    Re: US relinquishes control of the internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Again, I don't know too much about the issue so I don't know if this would be feasible, but does the internet NEED a lot of governance, other than just to establish things like .com, .net, .org?
    No, it doesn't, and we don't. So there's no need to change anything.


    Couldn't this organization be multinational so that it isn't subject to the censorship whims of any particular nation, and not really govern at all aside from things like that?
    Multinational bodies don't work like that. Most of them are exceedingly corrupt.

    Besides . . . aren't there an awful lot of things for which you can make that argument? Should we ask the oil-producing countries to give up control of their oil fields?

    (There are certain people who would certainly say "yes" to this. But they are not people I'd want to have any control over the world.)


    True, but the world wide web has only been around for 15 years. Past performance is no guarantee of future results.
    I'd bet on us over everyone else every time.

    How so?
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1058287550

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1058287225

    But as I asked Orius earlier in the thread . . .

    If there's no particular advantage, then why would it be a bad idea for any one nation to control it? If there's no advantage, there's no ability to do harm.
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