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Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan?

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Even as Republicans pummel President Barack Obama's health care proposals, some GOP leaders worry their party is being hurt by a Democratic counterattack: Where is your plan?

Republican leaders chose not to draft their own comprehensive bill, focusing instead on attacking Democrats' plans as too costly and bureaucratic. Some prominent Republicans now fear they are getting tagged as the "party of no," and they want the GOP to offer more solutions to the nation's health care problems.

Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan? - Yahoo! News

I'm glad to see Republicans are becoming aware of their lack of quality additions in the Health care debate. It's easy to say "No that won't help". It's much harder to offer an alternative solution.

I personally look forward to a less government run alternative to health care reform. I hope someone, on any side of the political spectrum, can offer something more palatable then the current universal health care options.
 
To answer that taunt, it would be a concession that some kind of universal reform is necessary.
 
To answer that taunt, it would be a concession that some kind of universal reform is necessary.

They could not have crafted a plan that fell short of universal reform? In fact, they had the basics of multiple bills that where never pushed my even republicans.
 
They could not have crafted a plan that fell short of universal reform? In fact, they had the basics of multiple bills that where never pushed my even republicans.

In order for them to do it, there has to be some agreement on what the problems actually are, else the Democrats can always say it's not a "real" plan, because it doesn't address X, Y, and Z.
 
The GOP is truly the "Party of No".....no values....no plans.
 
In order for them to do it, there has to be some agreement on what the problems actually are, else the Democrats can always say it's not a "real" plan, because it doesn't address X, Y, and Z.

But since they never pushed a plan, for whatever reason, they are open to criticism that they did not push a plan. The amazing part is at least one of the republican bills submitted and then abandoned sounded pretty good to me when I first saw it, probably superior to any of the democratic plans in congress.
 
To answer that taunt, it would be a concession that some kind of universal reform is necessary.
And thus, when criticizing someone's 'plan', one need not present an alternative -- the validity of the criticisms stand or fall regardless of any 'better idea'.

This is just another ho-hum attempt to blame the GOP for the Dems not wanting to pass The Obama's plan.
 
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And thus, when criticizing someone's 'plan', one need not present an alternative -- the validity of the criticisms stand or fall regardless of any 'better idea'.

This is just another ho-hum attempt to blame the GOP for the Dems not wanting to pass The Obama's plan.

False. If you address our society as in desperate need for health reform and only strike down valid plans without any real alternative, you hurt the country more than you help it. Acting as if the GOP is blameless is laughable.
 
False. If you address our society as in desperate need for health reform and only strike down valid plans without any real alternative, you hurt the country more than you help it. Acting as if the GOP is blameless is laughable.

Please note the post I responded to:

To answer that taunt, it would be a concession that some kind of universal reform is necessary.

If you do not concede the point that some kind of reform is necessary, then you are not in any way obligated to offer an alternative while criticizing.

And, regardless, the validity of the criticisms stand or fall regardless of any 'better idea'.
 
Please note the post I responded to:



If you do not concede the point that some kind of reform is necessary, then you are not in any way obligated to offer an alternative while criticizing.

And, regardless, the validity of the criticisms stand or fall regardless of any 'better idea'.

I thought you favored a pure free market health care system. That would be a reform, no?
 
This really is the most absurd argument in politics, where is the plan of the party in the minority?

Come on.....certainly we are brighter then this?
 
I thought you favored a pure free market health care system. That would be a reform, no?
Yes I do and yes I would.
But we're talking about the GOP, not me.
 
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If you do not concede the point that some kind of reform is necessary, then you are not in any way obligated to offer an alternative while criticizing.

Really? You don't concede that some kind of reform is necessary? None at all? Our health care system is perfect as it is?

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And, regardless, the validity of the criticisms stand or fall regardless of any 'better idea'.

That is not true. If there are no alternatives that solve Problem X without creating additional problems, then it doesn't make sense to criticize a specific proposal for not solving Problem X. Policies do not occur in a vacuum.
 
This really is the most absurd argument in politics, where is the plan of the party in the minority?
What, that to criticize someone's plan, you need to have an alternative of yoru own? Yes, that is rather absurd.

You can certainly tell someone how they are wriong w/o having to come up with an alternative to their idea.

-Our plan to go to Mars is this!
Your plan is flawed becaue of X Y and Z
-Oh yeah? Whats YOUR plan?
Why do I need a plan to go to Mars to show you how your plan to go to Mars is flawed?
 
That is not true. If there are no alternatives that solve Problem X without creating additional problems, then it doesn't make sense to criticize a specific proposal for not solving Problem X.
It does if the plan is flawed.
The flaws exist, regrdless of any alternative to them, and so, it is perfectly legitimate to point out those flaws.
 
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What, that to criticize someone's plan, you need to have an alternative of yoru own? Yes, that is rather absurd.

You can certainly tell someone how they are wriong w/o having to come up with an alternative to their idea.

-Our plan to go to Mars is this!
Your plan is flawed becaue of X Y and Z
-Oh yeah? Whats YOUR plan?
Why do I need a plan to go to Mars to show you how your plan to go to Mars is flawed?

No republican is going to ask their staff to spend hours, days, months on a bill that will be rejected in two seconds on the floor.

The argument is absurd....

Stupid people fall for this, that is all.
 
What, that to criticize someone's plan, you need to have an alternative of yoru own? Yes, that is rather absurd.

You can certainly tell someone how they are wriong w/o having to come up with an alternative to their idea.

-Our plan to go to Mars is this!
Your plan is flawed becaue of X Y and Z
-Oh yeah? Whats YOUR plan?
Why do I need a plan to go to Mars to show you how your plan to go to Mars is flawed?

It depends...are you criticizing the Mars mission on technological grounds or political grounds? You are correct that you wouldn't need an alternative to criticize the plan from a technological aspect; either it works or it doesn't.

If you're criticizing it from a political aspect from it, your analogy is flawed. You wouldn't need an alternative Mars plan if and only if you aren't interested in going to Mars. If you ARE interested in going to Mars, then you would need to present a plan that you believe will work. Most of the Republicans in Congress at least claim to care about the problems facing our health care system: Lack of access, uncontrolled inflation, and economic inefficiencies. If they acknowledge that these things are problems, then yes, they do need a plan to solve them.
 
It does if the plan is flawed.
The flaws exist, regrdless of any alternative to them, and so, it is perfectly legitimate to point out those flaws.

It's legitimate to point them out, but they aren't a legitimate criticism of the plan if none of the alternatives solve that problem.
 
Yeah, I'm really tired of the Republicans working against the best interests of the American people. We don't pay them to stall crap while people die. I mean, proposing amendments that talk about it only applying to states that start with "U" and crap is absurd and obviously a tactic to stall. We don't pay them to do this, we pay them to work and get it done. The Republicans have acted shamefully throughout this whole process.
 
Really? You don't concede that some kind of reform is necessary? None at all? Our health care system is perfect as it is?

No healthcare system on earth is perfect, nor will ever be. Just because a system has flaws doesn't mean it needs to be fixed...incessantly--no one (least of all a huge bureaucracy) can fix everything to perfection, and many people believe that more often than not the "fixing" is actually making things worse.

There will always be pleas for more reform... a line has to be drawn somewhere. Not every problem can be "reformed" out of existence. More often than not, the opposite happens--reforms just create new (sometimes bigger) problems.
 
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If the "GOP" represented actual conservatism, their healthcare plan would be four little words: "thou shalt not steal".
 
It depends...are you criticizing the Mars mission on technological grounds or political grounds? You are correct that you wouldn't need an alternative to criticize the plan from a technological aspect; either it works or it doesn't....
Ths is the case whether you present an alternative plan or not.
Not having a plan in no way reduces the validity of their criticisms.
 
Yeah, I'm really tired of the Republicans working against the best interests of the American people. We don't pay them to stall crap while people die. I mean, proposing amendments that talk about it only applying to states that start with "U" and crap is absurd and obviously a tactic to stall. We don't pay them to do this, we pay them to work and get it done. The Republicans have acted shamefully throughout this whole process.
Asking you for the umpteenth time:
Looking at your avatar...
How does having a right to someting mean that you have the right to have others provide you the means to exercise that right?
 
We should buy this new car.

Too expensive!

Oh yeah? What's your alternative? Which car would you rather buy? Until you suggest a different new car to buy, don't criticize this choice.



Basically, it's assumed that a new car must be bought, when the better solution is simply to get a tune-up on the car you have.
 
We should buy this new car.

Too expensive!

Oh yeah? What's your alternative? Which car would you rather buy? Until you suggest a different new car to buy, don't criticize this choice.



Basically, it's assumed that a new car must be bought, when the better solution is simply to get a tune-up on the car you have.

That would be a valid analogy, if the Republicans in Congress believed our current health care system was fine. But ostensibly they care about the same problems that Democrats do...or at least, that's what they say in public.
 
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