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    Re: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan?

    If the "GOP" represented actual conservatism, their healthcare plan would be four little words: "thou shalt not steal".

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    Re: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    It depends...are you criticizing the Mars mission on technological grounds or political grounds? You are correct that you wouldn't need an alternative to criticize the plan from a technological aspect; either it works or it doesn't....
    Ths is the case whether you present an alternative plan or not.
    Not having a plan in no way reduces the validity of their criticisms.

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    Re: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan?

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    Yeah, I'm really tired of the Republicans working against the best interests of the American people. We don't pay them to stall crap while people die. I mean, proposing amendments that talk about it only applying to states that start with "U" and crap is absurd and obviously a tactic to stall. We don't pay them to do this, we pay them to work and get it done. The Republicans have acted shamefully throughout this whole process.
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    Re: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan?

    We should buy this new car.

    Too expensive!

    Oh yeah? What's your alternative? Which car would you rather buy? Until you suggest a different new car to buy, don't criticize this choice.



    Basically, it's assumed that a new car must be bought, when the better solution is simply to get a tune-up on the car you have.
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    Re: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    We should buy this new car.

    Too expensive!

    Oh yeah? What's your alternative? Which car would you rather buy? Until you suggest a different new car to buy, don't criticize this choice.



    Basically, it's assumed that a new car must be bought, when the better solution is simply to get a tune-up on the car you have.
    That would be a valid analogy, if the Republicans in Congress believed our current health care system was fine. But ostensibly they care about the same problems that Democrats do...or at least, that's what they say in public.
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    Re: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan?

    In this analogy, they agree that the car isn't running properly. They disagree that a new car is needed to solve the problem. So, they don't have to suggest any alternative new cars.
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    Re: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    In this analogy, they agree that the car isn't running properly. They disagree that a new car is needed to solve the problem. So, they don't have to suggest any alternative new cars.
    Except the problem with this analogy is that public legislation is not a binary choice between "new car" and "tune-up." Legislation is a spectrum that ranges from doing nothing to implementing a completely new system. And there aren't any clear boundaries that indicate when you've moved from one point in the spectrum to another.

    Are the Democratic proposals suggesting we need a "new car," or do they just include a more comprehensive tune-up than what the Republicans may be comfortable with?
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    Re: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan?

    In that respect, I think any sea change can be looked at as proposing a new car, sure.
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    Re: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan?

    Properly, an actual conservative's "plan" would be to get out of the way and let the free market do what it does, as much as possible.

    The Dems can sneer that the GOP has no plan if they wish... to me, "leave it alone" is better than any plan I've heard of this year.

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    Re: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Properly, an actual conservative's "plan" would be to get out of the way and let the free market do what it does, as much as possible.

    The Dems can sneer that the GOP has no plan if they wish... to me, "leave it alone" is better than any plan I've heard of this year.
    Can you state the problem and tell me how free market properly addresses said problem?

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