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    Re: Georgia started war with Russia, but Moscow over-reacted, says EU report

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    And the United States murdered an entire continent of people. But let's focus on the geopolitics of TODAY.
    Yes I saw that you wrote this while I was writing the same thing.
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    Re: Georgia started war with Russia, but Moscow over-reacted, says EU report

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    A) South Ossetia is not Chechnya. The former identifies with Russia, the latter does not.
    B) It's difficult for them to care about Chechnya when they are facing a war on their own territory, caused by the George Bush of the Caucuses, Mikhail Saakashvili.
    I would say that the South Ossetians are leaning toward Russia only becasue they want a "boilshoi bratchyk" to "protect" them.

    It is also very likaly that if the Ossetians were contained in basically one area and all under Russia today that gthey very likley would have the same view as the Chechens in that they would want to be free of Russia.

    I realize that that is speculation but based on my knowledge, history and understanding of the area that is is good theory.
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    Re: Georgia started war with Russia, but Moscow over-reacted, says EU report

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    A) South Ossetia is not Chechnya. The former identifies with Russia, the latter does not.
    B) It's difficult for them to care about Chechnya when they are facing a war on their own territory, caused by the George Bush of the Caucuses, Mikhail Saakashvili.
    I still believe that the Russians who wanted to stop the pipeline spurred the Ossesstians into taking a separist posture.

    Saakashvili over reacted but he most likely took the Bsh support way beyond what Bush was giving. Bush gave words and Saakashvili actually thought that he would have American warplanes and partroopers supporting Georgia.

    Bush also did not and does not understand the reality of geo politics or history.

    Remeber until Bush became POTUS the only foreign country he went to was Mexico.

    Mexico - my God idiot college students go to Mexico on sptirng break !!!

    The guys go there for the girls soi they are not idiot just following their hormones.
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    Re: Georgia started war with Russia, but Moscow over-reacted, says EU report

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    I would say that the South Ossetians are leaning toward Russia only becasue they want a "boilshoi bratchyk" to "protect" them.
    Protection is often a reason that a smaller nation wants to ally with a larger nation. Nothing inherently wrong with that.

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr
    It is also very likaly that if the Ossetians were contained in basically one area and all under Russia today that gthey very likley would have the same view as the Chechens in that they would want to be free of Russia.
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    Re: Georgia started war with Russia, but Moscow over-reacted, says EU report

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    I would say that the South Ossetians are leaning toward Russia only because they want a "boilshoi bratchyk" to "protect" them.
    Is it not more likely that they are leaning towards Russia because Russia contains North Ossetia where many South Ossetians have relatives?
    Additionally, many South Ossetians now reside with the other Ossetians in North Ossetia.

    Here is a quote form a random article I googled:
    "Thousands of South Ossetians fled to the North in the 1990s amid the violence that followed the declaration of independence. North Ossetia maintains strong ethnic links with the territory. "

    My only point in quoting it is to demonstrate the "ethnic links".

    During the election, the statements by McCain fed to him by his Georgian lobbyist advisor quickly became my largest reasons for fearing him.
    McCain sought to include Georgia in NATO while Georgia was already occupied by the Russian military. Technically this would have commit us to a war with Russia the moment they joined.
    They failed to mention that Georgia attacked first.
    And still to this day continue to fail to mention the existence of North Ossetia, its being a part of Russia, or the ethnic ties between the Ossetians in Russia and the Ossetians Russia protects within Georgia.

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    Re: Georgia started war with Russia, but Moscow over-reacted, says EU report

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    I still believe that the Russians who wanted to stop the pipeline spurred the Ossesstians into taking a separist posture.

    Saakashvili over reacted but he most likely took the Bsh support way beyond what Bush was giving. Bush gave words and Saakashvili actually thought that he would have American warplanes and partroopers supporting Georgia.

    Bush also did not and does not understand the reality of geo politics or history.

    Remeber until Bush became POTUS the only foreign country he went to was Mexico.

    Mexico - my God idiot college students go to Mexico on sptirng break !!!

    The guys go there for the girls soi they are not idiot just following their hormones.
    You are aware that south ossetians have had sepratist tendancies since before the first south ossetia war in the early 90s arent you?

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    Re: Georgia started war with Russia, but Moscow over-reacted, says EU report

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Yea. Man I remember the crap fest that came about on these boards, with right wingers defending Georgian aggression... tsk tsk.
    Nice generalisation. I was rooting for South Ossetia.
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    Re: Georgia started war with Russia, but Moscow over-reacted, says EU report

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    By the way, Russia has bombed civilians just like Georgia, in fact, Russia has bombed more of them, including reporters.
    But that's just another fact, not an excuse.


    Btw, can you provide any confirmation of that outside of Georgian sources?

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    Re: Georgia started war with Russia, but Moscow over-reacted, says EU report

    Anyone else amused by the fact that the Mail felt it critically important to note that "the findings were particularly critical of U.S. ally Georgia’s conduct."




    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Like it or not, Georgia started the war because of the a President that has and had delusions of grandeur. It not only cost tons of lives but meant that Georgia lost 1/3 of its territory for good.

    Did the Russians overreact? Sure, but then again they did not start the war, but they sure in hell would end on the winning side once committed and they made sure of that.
    So you agree that if one country "provokes" a war, another country reacts by starting the violence, and the first country responds with superior force, conquering the second country's territory, the first country should get to keep that territory and is less responsible for the conflict?
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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    Re: Georgia started war with Russia, but Moscow over-reacted, says EU report

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    George did not comot agression. Georgia was defending it's territorial rights.
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    Territorial rights to what?

    When the USSR started to fall apart Georgia opted for independence; in accordance with the constitution if a Union republic leaves the Union all its autonomous republics have a right to determine their future by referendums. That's precisely what Abkhasia and S.Ossetia did, and they left Georgia.

    They exist as independent states for as long as Georgia itself.

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