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    Re: US Supreme Court agrees to decide whether Second Amendment forbids local handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I do think registration should be mandatory though, mostly for criminal investigation purposes.
    I think the Constitution should be followed, mostly for freedom purposes.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: US Supreme Court agrees to decide whether Second Amendment forbids local handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    any more than you'd need an M16 to protect yourself from some cat burgelor. .

    THAT depends on whether or not the cat "boogler" has an AK-47 now wouldn't it?

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    Re: US Supreme Court agrees to decide whether Second Amendment forbids local handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by ConservaBill View Post
    THAT depends on whether or not the cat "boogler" has an AK-47 now wouldn't it?
    C'mon, now. How many burglers do you know walk around breaking into houses carrying an assault riffle slung over their shoulder? Instead of replying with hyperbole, let's try staying in the reality of the real.

    Again, I fully understand where the hardline viewpoint is on this matter, but let's use some common sense here, folks.

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    Re: US Supreme Court agrees to decide whether Second Amendment forbids local handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    C'mon, now. How many burglers do you know walk around breaking into houses carrying an assault riffle slung over their shoulder? Instead of replying with hyperbole, let's try staying in the reality of the real.

    Again, I fully understand where the hardline viewpoint is on this matter, but let's use some common sense here, folks.
    I say again:

    For this to stick, you need to make the argument that these weapons are not "arms" as the term is used under the 2nd.

    If you think you can do this, I'd love to see it.

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    Re: US Supreme Court agrees to decide whether Second Amendment forbids local handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I say again:

    For this to stick, you need to make the argument that these weapons are not "arms" as the term is used under the 2nd.

    If you think you can do this, I'd love to see it.
    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_authority]Argument from authority - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    Argument from authority or appeal to authority is a logical fallacy, where it is argued that a statement is correct because the statement is made by a person or source that is commonly regarded as authoritative.

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    Re: US Supreme Court agrees to decide whether Second Amendment forbids local handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Argument from authority - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    As I am asking him to create an argument that shows the weapons he discussed do not fall under the definition of 'arms' as it is used in the 2nd, I am not making an appeal to authority.

    Never mind that when discussing the meanings of legal terms, citing those that define those terms is no more an 'appeal to authority' than citing the dictionsary for the definition of ordinary terms.

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    Re: US Supreme Court agrees to decide whether Second Amendment forbids local handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think the Constitution should be followed, mostly for freedom purposes.
    In criminal cases, the gun needs to be traced. If there was no gun crime, then no registration would be needed.

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    Re: US Supreme Court agrees to decide whether Second Amendment forbids local handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think the Constitution should be followed, mostly for freedom purposes.
    Can we agree that Constitutionally people have the right to own property can we also agree the government has the right to keep records on the peoperty as well as tax it?

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    Re: US Supreme Court agrees to decide whether Second Amendment forbids local handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    In criminal cases, the gun needs to be traced. If there was no gun crime, then no registration would be needed.
    THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS GUN CRIME!

    Guns do not commit random acts of violence of their own free will... THEY ARE INANIMATE OBJECTS CAPABLE OF NOTHING UNLESS BEING WIELDED BY SOMEONE.

    jesus h christ... Quit trying to disassociate blame with those ****ing wankers that run around shooting homies in their hoods.. or other ****.


    And again, registration has historically led to confiscation.. and has proven time and time again to be a futile attempt to "investigate crimes that were committed with firearms."
    George Washington didn't use his freedom of speech to win the war with Britain... He shot them.

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    Re: US Supreme Court agrees to decide whether Second Amendment forbids local handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Then I don't think there's any point in me responding further, because to me, that position is so absurd that I don't know where to begin.
    I guess only a liberal anti-2nd amendment nut such as yourself has complete faith that the government will not turn on its people or that we will never be invaded.
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