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Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

winston53660 said:
I would advocate mandatory searches for any one entering my bar in the absence of a no carry law. Just another pain in the ass for me while I try to conduct business.
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Or you can post no gun sign on your business.
 
winston53660 said:
Well why can't I wear it on my hip cowboy style? That is just a restriction of my rights:2razz:
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I 100% support open carry laws. In that, not laws which restrict it but laws which allow it.
 
Ikari said:
Or you can post no gun sign on your business.
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And I would still search. When the gavel falls after something went down I fairly certain I would lose my license and possibly face civil penalties.
 
winston53660 said:
And I would still search. When the gavel falls after something went down I fairly certain I would lose my license and possibly face civil penalties.
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As thr bar owner, it is your right to do so.
 
winston53660 said:
And I would still search. When the gavel falls after something went down I fairly certain I would lose my license and possibly face civil penalties.
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Not really. But it's fine. You can search people that go into your bar. Enjoy your last week of business.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
This is a great day for Liberty in Arizona! Let's hope the rest of the nation wisest up to the great ideal of Liberty! :thumbs:
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Over 80% of the nation already has similar laws on the books. ;)


We're definitely not the first state to pioneer this concept.
 
Ikari said:
Not really. But it's fine. You can search people that go into your bar. Enjoy your last week of business.
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Enjoy the equivalent of MADD suing your but off;)
 
winston53660 said:
Enjoy the equivalent of MADD suing your but off;)
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What would they sue me for? I didn't do anything wrong. If there is an incident with guns in a bar (which is unlikely, probably the most you'd hear is isolated cases) then the individuals are at fault. The business can forbid guns on their property, or they can allow them. That's it. The individual isn't allowed to carry and drink, and if he does that's his fault. It's a concealed weapon, so the bartender isn't going to see it (that being the definition of concealed). Mostly the doom and gloom being forecast by some folk is nothing more than propaganda against a policy they don't like. But that's rights for you, we're free to exercise them.
 
Ikari said:
What would they sue me for? I didn't do anything wrong. If there is an incident with guns in a bar (which is unlikely, probably the most you'd hear is isolated cases) then the individuals are at fault. The business can forbid guns on their property, or they can allow them. That's it. The individual isn't allowed to carry and drink, and if he does that's his fault. It's a concealed weapon, so the bartender isn't going to see it (that being the definition of concealed). Mostly the doom and gloom being forecast by some folk is nothing more than propaganda against a policy they don't like. But that's rights for you, we're free to exercise them.
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We are talking MADD those people are nutso.
 
winston53660 said:
We are talking MADD those people are nutso.
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People are free to be nutso, but suing the bar owner isn't going to go far. You'd have to prove they knew the other guy had a gun, and that would be tough. Other than that, they could go after the law itself. And on that point, they can piss off. It's called freedom baby, yeah it's dangerous and comes with a ****-ton of responsibility; but damned it's better than the alternative.
 
liblady said:
certain patrons will drink, there's no doubt. most people go to bars to drink, don't they? what is the point of being allowed to have a gun in that environment?
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I DD for my group of friends all the time... And yes, we've been robbed in the parking lot leaving the bar we were just in... had I had my gun, noone would have lost their ****.. But, because I'm a law-abiding citizen I left my gun in the car, and myself and my entire group of friends were defenseless.

Guns and alcohol don't mix, I know that as a responsible gun owner.... Just like Alcohol and driving don't mix.. most people as responsible drivers know that.. but there are still a LOT of them that fail to heed that... Should we punish everyone by taking their cars away from them when they goto a bar? Cause they might get drunk?

liblady said:
let's see......no guns in bars? we could start there. no guns at gov't functions? that's a good one as well. no guns in schools? i like that.
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Funny, VT, Columbine, and a couple others would disagree with you on that.

winston53660 said:
So would waving a gun around in a bar be okay even though it scares the **** out patrons?
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That'd be brandishing your firearm.. which in AZ is a felony aggravated assault charge.

Good luck getting your ccw back / getting guns in this state legally after you get hit with that.


winston53660 said:
I would advocate mandatory searches for any one entering my bar in the absence of a no carry law. Just another pain in the ass for me while I try to conduct business.
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And, you'd be out of business very quickly.
 
You know I was never an advocate for making laws against inanimate objects that can't do a thing without human intervention. Banning guns in a bar was stupid to begin with.

Guns don't kill people. People kill people.
 
Ikari said:
That's pretty ****ed up.
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Part of it is a liability issue. In a perfect world I would say carry a weapon where ever but it ain't a perfect world and rightfully or not bars do get sued.
 
Amazing how some people think the government must force the issue one way or another. The natural facts of property ownership seem to fly miles above their brainwashed little heads...
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
People are not barred from having a six pack on the passenger seat.



Emotionalism is really not a good debate style. :shrug:
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I am not emotional. It just sounds relay risky.
 
ewm90 said:
I am not emotional. It just sounds relay risky.
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There is a lot of risk in living in a FREE country.


That's part of freedom and liberty.
 
stevenb said:
There is a lot of risk in living in a FREE country.


That's part of freedom and liberty.
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Yes I could cross the street and get hit by a car that dose not mean its ok to dance on a rode with on coming traffic.

We do have laws to keep us safe and when those laws are removed people star getting hart.
 
stevenb said:
There is a lot of risk in living in a FREE country.


That's part of freedom and liberty.
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I really really wish people would figure this one out.
 
ewm90 said:
Yes I could cross the street and get hit by a car that dose not mean its ok to dance on a rode with on coming traffic.

We do have laws to keep us safe and when those laws are removed people star getting heart.
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We have laws to control us, and our behavior.


Not to keep us safe.

Then we have laws that only exist to generate revenue... but that's another conversation entirely.


And if you'd like to go dance in the road / play in traffic.. who am I to stop you?
 
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