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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    it's not nonsense. how many gun deaths does japan record?
    It -is- nonsense.
    Assuming that everyone will commit a crime and acting accordingly quashes liberty and creates a police state.

    Here, its called "prior restraint"
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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    How many suicides does it have? I mean, why cherry pick stats here. Japan can do as they like, that's their government and their problem to deal with. In America we've based our Republic on the rights and liberties of the individual which include but are not limited to the right to keep and bear arms.
    i'm not cherry picking. we can discuss any nation that has strict gun laws, which to me assumes a certain number of people will commit gun crimes if they are allowed to carry guns, hence the strict gun laws.

    why do you need a gun in a bar?

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    What law is to stop someone from doing that?
    Well ****! I can incite to riot, so let's just make people get permits for what they are going to say. I mean, we don't want riots right? And well people can conceal drugs on their person or property so let's just get rid of this protection against unreasonable searches and seizure. I mean, maybe they have guns too. Guns are bad right, search search search. Slander and libel, all speeches and articles must first be reviewed and edited by a government censor...how's that one?

    So long as we're doing stupid hypotheticals, let's just go ahead and get them all out there. Someone may wave a gun around. Well then that guy is in trouble. If you threaten people with a gun, that's not within the boundaries of the law. Can we think things through before we post?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    you can't say how it would have been any different if people carried guns.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i'm not cherry picking. we can discuss any nation that has strict gun laws, which to me assumes a certain number of people will commit gun crimes if they are allowed to carry guns, hence the strict gun laws.

    why do you need a gun in a bar?
    Why is it your business? If the owner of the property wishes to allow people to carry guns if they wish, what business is it of yours? Don't go to the bar if you are scared.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well ****! I can incite to riot, so let's just make people get permits for what they are going to say. I mean, we don't want riots right? And well people can conceal drugs on their person or property so let's just get rid of this protection against unreasonable searches and seizure. I mean, maybe they have guns too. Guns are bad right, search search search. Slander and libel, all speeches and articles must first be reviewed and edited by a government censor...how's that one?

    So long as we're doing stupid hypotheticals, let's just go ahead and get them all out there. Someone may wave a gun around. Well then that guy is in trouble. If you threaten people with a gun, that's not within the boundaries of the law. Can we think things through before we post?
    I guess you have never been a bartender and seen how stupid people are when they are drunk.

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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I guess you have never been a bartender and seen how stupid people are when they are drunk.
    And if they're drunk, waving a gun around...Well first, there could be someone sober to stop them. Second, they're in serious ****.
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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i'm not cherry picking. we can discuss any nation that has strict gun laws, which to me assumes a certain number of people will commit gun crimes if they are allowed to carry guns, hence the strict gun laws.
    What % of CCW holders commit gun-related crimes?

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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    What law is to stop someone from doing that?



    Disturbing the peace

    Insighting a riot

    Beligerence

    Causing a nuisance

    Public endangerment.


    and on and on and on and on....
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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And if they're drunk, waving a gun around...Well first, there could be someone sober to stop them. Second, they're in serious ****.
    I would advocate mandatory searches for any one entering my bar in the absence of a no carry law. Just another pain in the ass for me while I try to conduct business.

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