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Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

If that's what you are getting from what I am saying, then you have absolutely no idea what it is that I'm saying. I would suggest you go back and read slower, try to actually read and understand the words. Because nothing I have written have suggested anything close to what you're trying to pretend and lie about me saying.

I will try to read slower thanks.
 
good question. i don't know, do you?

You are assuming that "a certain number of people will commit gun crimes if they are allowed to carry guns".

If you do not know what % of the people who are allowed to carry concealed weapons commit crimes with them", how can you argue anything regarding these people?
 
good question. i don't know, do you?

You are assuming that "a certain number of people will commit gun crimes if they are allowed to carry guns".

If you do not know what % of the people who are allowed to carry concealed weapons commit crimes with them", how can you argue anything regarding these people?

In Arizona it's less than 1% of violent crime is committed by CCW holders.

That doesn't even include crimes that involve firearms... cause the number is so small.
 
actually many countries sent aid. Including hugo choves dictator.

Just cause I send you a package doesn't mean you have to accept it.
 
Just cause I send you a package doesn't mean you have to accept it.

He offer cheeper gas thew his gas company CITGO and many times free. he had adds on US TV about it.

I cant remember well but he was also going to send food man power,or some ting but the us prevented him.
 
He offer cheeper gas thew his gas company CITGO and many times free. he had adds on US TV about it.

I cant remember well but he was also going to send food man power,or some ting but the us prevented him.

You proved my point.
 
So would waving a gun around in a bar be okay even though it scares the **** out patrons?

Beyond what Rev stated, many states have specific laws directly dealing with brandishing a weapon. For example, my state:

"Virginia Code
18.2-282.

It shall be unlawful for any person to point, hold or brandish any firearm or any air or gas operated weapon or any object similar in appearance, whether capable of being fired or not, in such manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another or hold a firearm or any air or gas operated weapon in a public place in such a manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another of being shot or injured. However, this section shall not apply to any person engaged in excusable or justifiable self-defense."

If you're brandishing your gun around then you're in violation of that law and could suffer consequences, the least of which would likely mean your concealed carry permit would be gone.

However, you can't just say "because a gun scares me it should be illegal".

Should we make black people illegal if some little old white lady born in the south and raised a bit racist was "afraid" of the large black man at the bar.

To copy something from George Carlin, shall we ban people with big hands? You can strangle someone with some big freaking hands. Perhaps we should ban them if someone's afraid of being strangled.

Some people are afraid of enclosed spaces. Should we severely cut back on the amount of people allowed in bars now to make sure we will never cause a clostraphobic person from being afraid?

Black belt key chain on a guys keys? Shall we prevent people that have martial arts training from bars or from making it known in any way in bars because it may scare people? How about a pocket knife? If you have a leatherman or a swiss army on you and pull it out at any point to move it from pocket to pocket and someones afraid of it, boop, we need to ban them.

That just doesn't make sense.

There's things that make sense in regards to legality. Brandishing your weapon when not in a self-defense situation is one of them. Saying you can't have it is not.

Its not going to be fun for the bar keeper sweeping bodies from the bar and patching up built holes in the walls.

People are barded from driving drunk. but not for having a gun wile drunk grate plain.

Another day for liberty over logic.

Well why can't I wear it on my hip cowboy style? That is just a restriction of my rights:2razz:

Did you even read the OP or just saw some basic words and went instantly into an emotional response.

Sweeping bodies from the bar? Wow, really. Did you work for George Bush's administration in PR with that kind of huge hyperbole.

And where...show me ANYWHERE...where people are saying individuals should be allowed to be drunk with a gun. The law specifically states they can't drink while they have a gun on concealed. Now, could someone do it? Sure. Someone could also drive drunk. Yet we don't ban cars.
 
actually many countries sent aid. Including hugo choves dictator.

If I remember correctly Chavez offered to sell us heating oil at cost and Bush refused. Bad move on Bush's part IMHO
 
From the article:

Under the law, backed by the National Rifle Association, the 138,350 people with concealed-weapons permits in Arizona will be allowed to bring their guns into bars and restaurants that haven't posted signs banning them.

I'd imagine the signs banning them are going to be as popular as the ones warning pregnant ladies not to drink. It's probably a moot point other than it'll help the economy in the sign market.
 
Did you even read the OP or just saw some basic words and went instantly into an emotional response.

Sweeping bodies from the bar? Wow, really. Did you work for George Bush's administration in PR with that kind of huge hyperbole.

Zyphlin I most often really like your posts but sometimes you are really to serious to a fault.
 
On properties that don't want the guns, this will just lead to more searches of people as they enter the bars. It's true that you can just leave the bar and go somewhere else, but if you live in a small area with one or two that have the same policy, then your rights are pretty screwed anyway.

I'm all for people defending their homes and their property, but I would feel less safe at a bar with so many people carrying. The vast majority of gun owners are responsible carriers, but it doesn't change the fact that one crazy drunk person at the bar who decides to go kamikaze will do a lot of damage. For me the issue has never been about people abusing guns en mass, but it's about the efficiency that guns have at killing as compared to knives or other instruments. You can kill someone much easier with a gun.

I only know a couple of bartenders in the U.S. and they both have guns behind the counter. If something goes down, my instinct would not be to reach for my gun but to get out of dodge.
 
Zyphlin I most often really like your posts but sometimes you are really to serious to a fault.

I can understand joking or exaggerating to a degree if you're trying to make a point and its within the realm of an actual decent thought that clearly shows the exaggeration is there for humor or as a tongue in cheek absurd example and not as something you SERIOUSLY actually believe.

When your entire post is 3 lines of complete and utter extreme hyperbole, filled with factually incorrect information that is readily available IN THE OP, and devoid of anything worth while then its not funny, its not humerous, its not joking, its just stupid.
 
I'm all for people defending their homes and their property, but I would feel less safe at a bar with so many people carrying. The vast majority of gun owners are responsible carriers, but it doesn't change the fact that one crazy drunk person at the bar who decides to go kamikaze will do a lot of damage.
Think for a moment:
If someone with a CCW decides to "go kamikaze and do a lot of damage", what real difference does it make if he has the gun on him, or in his car?
 
Think for a moment:
If someone with a CCW decides to "go kamikaze and do a lot of damage", what real difference does it make if he has the gun on him, or in his car?

About 15-20 seconds depending on how far away they parked.
 
I can understand joking or exaggerating to a degree if you're trying to make a point and its within the realm of an actual decent thought that clearly shows the exaggeration is there for humor or as a tongue in cheek absurd example and not as something you SERIOUSLY actually believe.

When your entire post is 3 lines of complete and utter extreme hyperbole, filled with factually incorrect information that is readily available IN THE OP, and devoid of anything worth while then its not funny, its not humerous, its not joking, its just stupid.

Okay so you did not appreciate it no skin off my nose and hopefully not yours. Let's let by gones be by gones after all it is just a message board. BTW here in Texas I can carry a gun down the street w/o any kind of permit beyond fed regs.
 
On properties that don't want the guns, this will just lead to more searches of people as they enter the bars. It's true that you can just leave the bar and go somewhere else, but if you live in a small area with one or two that have the same policy, then your rights are pretty screwed anyway.

Drink at home then, or put up with the searches if the bar owner feels like he must go that route. Or establish your own bar where you don't search people.

I'm all for people defending their homes and their property, but I would feel less safe at a bar with so many people carrying. The vast majority of gun owners are responsible carriers, but it doesn't change the fact that one crazy drunk person at the bar who decides to go kamikaze will do a lot of damage. For me the issue has never been about people abusing guns en mass, but it's about the efficiency that guns have at killing as compared to knives or other instruments. You can kill someone much easier with a gun.

I would feel the same as I do now. Nothing really prevents one from bringing a gun into a bar. There's not much one can do if you're carrying concealed, they're not going to know. If they allow it, not much is going to change. Dollars to donuts say that most people choose not to carry to a bar regardless. And if something happens, well there was no guarantee against it in the first place. And hell, maybe someone will have a gun there and can help quickly end the situation.

I only know a couple of bartenders in the U.S. and they both have guns behind the counter. If something goes down, my instinct would not be to reach for my gun but to get out of dodge.

As would the vast majority of people.
 
Okay so you did not appreciate it no skin off my nose and hopefully not yours. Let's let by gones be by gones after all it is just a message board. BTW here in Texas I can carry a gun down the street w/o any kind of permit beyond fed regs.
Really? I was under the impression, being a Texan myself, that you needed a CCL to carry a gun on your person. It is my understanding that you need no license to keep a weapon in your vehicle.
 
About 15-20 seconds depending on how far away they parked.
Exactly. He walks to the car and does what he was going to do anyway.
 
Really? I was under the impression, being a Texan myself, that you needed a CCL to carry a gun on your person. It is my understanding that you need no license to keep a weapon in your vehicle.

I'm not sure of the details. I do know I have carried a shot gun down the street with no problem on several occasions. I have had a game warden inspect though to make sure I ws in complience with the law.
 
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