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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Nobody has the "right" to enter another person's private property, rather, they have the privilege of entering, and that privilege can be rescinded at any time for whatever reason.
    They're business while private property is a public business.

    Unless they have a sign on the door specifically forbidding entrance... then I have a right to be in that "public place" until they decide that they no longer want me to be there.

    If you're going to open a business, you're turning your private property into a public location.. and it is up to you to decide who can or cannot visit. It's not up to me as a CONSUMER / Potential customer to figure out their intentions magically.

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Not quite true. If I own a lunch counter I can not deny service to people for whatever reason.
    Yes, actually you can.. and no, it's not unconstitutional.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    That's because our government has a penchant for passing unconstitutional laws.

    And, that is true.
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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    They're business while private property is a public business.

    Unless they have a sign on the door specifically forbidding entrance... then I have a right to be in that "public place" until they decide that they no longer want me to be there.

    If you're going to open a business, you're turning your private property into a public location.. and it is up to you to decide who can or cannot visit. It's not up to me as a CONSUMER / Potential customer to figure out their intentions magically.
    So long as we can agree that a business owner shouldn't need a "State-approved sign" in order to kick someone off his property I think we're square.

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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    So long as we can agree that a business owner shouldn't need a "State-approved sign" in order to kick someone off his property I think we're square.
    **** no.


    I think the owner should be able to kick anyone off their property / out of their business for any reason that they seem fit.

    They pay their taxes, they pay their fees and overhead costs to run the company the way they want. If they want to kick white people out of their store, ****ing a... go for it!

    They just need to be ready for the fallout that will come from their actions.
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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    So would waving a gun around in a bar be okay even though it scares the **** out patrons?
    is it not illegal to brandish a firearm? it is in my state.

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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    **** no.


    I think the owner should be able to kick anyone off their property / out of their business for any reason that they seem fit.

    They pay their taxes, they pay their fees and overhead costs to run the company the way they want. If they want to kick white people out of their store, ****ing a... go for it!

    They just need to be ready for the fallout that will come from their actions.
    Oh, well, I thought you said:

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    You're right he doesn't.. but if he wants to get bitchy about someone exercising their second amendment rights in his business.. then he does.
    Perhaps I misunderstood...

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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    Yes, actually you can.. and no, it's not unconstitutional.
    Fine try denying service at the lunch counter simply because a person is black.

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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Oh, well, I thought you said:



    Perhaps I misunderstood...
    I mean it like this.


    If I'm going to business A with my gun.. if there are no signs on the doors notifying me that I'm not allowed to be there with my gun.

    Business A owner can get bitchy with me all he wants and ask me to leave.. and I will.

    But, unless they make their intentions known at the doors.. it is not my responsibility to research their positions / allowed attire etc..etc.

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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    is it not illegal to brandish a firearm? it is in my state.
    Brandishing is a fairly subjective term.

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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    I mean it like this.


    If I'm going to business A with my gun.. if there are no signs on the doors notifying me that I'm not allowed to be there with my gun.

    Business A owner can get bitchy with me all he wants and ask me to leave.. and I will.

    But, unless they make their intentions known at the doors.. it is not my responsibility to research their positions / allowed attire etc..etc.

    Follow?
    Ah, yes. I understand...

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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Fine try denying service at the lunch counter simply because a person is black.
    I think it still happens quite regularly in the south.


    Funny thing is, there are racist black business owners who do the same thing to other races in the south.

    And... in AZ any business can refuse service to you for any reason.. of which they don't have to provide.

    gee.
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