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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Exactly. He walks to the car and does what he was going to do anyway.
    Nuts are going to be nuts. But I see no reason to put another liability on bar owners in regards to carrying weapons. Bars will get sued should something happen. They are not supposed to serve people with weapons. The solution is to search people just like they have to id people to make sure they are of age.

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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Nuts are going to be nuts. But I see no reason to put another liability on bar owners in regards to carrying weapons. Bars will get sued should something happen. They are not supposed to serve people with weapons. The solution is to search people just like they have to id people to make sure they are of age.
    Like I said, if the bar owner whats to prohibit guns and makre sure there are none by searching, that's his right.

    HOWever... under the same argument, shouldn't the bar owner be searching people now?
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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Like I said, if the bar owner whats to prohibit guns and makre sure theere are non by searching, that's his right.

    HOWever... under the same argument, shouldn't the bar owner be searching people now?
    Yeah, theoretically now the gun owner is just as responsible as he would be under this new law..

    They should be getting sued left and right because of people getting shot / stabbed / otherwise assaulted in their bars.

    Cause ultimately the bar is responsible for a legal adult's decision that happens to be there.
    George Washington didn't use his freedom of speech to win the war with Britain... He shot them.

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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Okay so you did not appreciate it no skin off my nose and hopefully not yours. Let's let by gones be by gones after all it is just a message board. BTW here in Texas I can carry a gun down the street w/o any kind of permit beyond fed regs.
    Carry as in in your hands (up in a firing position) or carry as in wear it?

    Cause I believe you can wear it openly here in Virginia as well. But if you start brandishing it, you are breaking the law.

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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Carry as in in your hands (up in a firing position) or carry as in wear it?

    Cause I believe you can wear it openly here in Virginia as well. But if you start brandishing it, you are breaking the
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    Just carry not brandishing. Sorry my phone is about die and my brakes are about fixed otherwise I would be more cleare

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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I would feel the same as I do now. Nothing really prevents one from bringing a gun into a bar. There's not much one can do if you're carrying concealed, they're not going to know. If they allow it, not much is going to change. Dollars to donuts say that most people choose not to carry to a bar regardless. And if something happens, well there was no guarantee against it in the first place. And hell, maybe someone will have a gun there and can help quickly end the situation.
    I agree with what you're saying about not knowing if someone has a gun or not, and in light of that fact this law is kind of redundant. If you already have a CCW then it was already a secret to begin with, and only a bar search would reveal it (as it still would).

    My main thing with guns is that they are easier to kill with. If someone pulls a knife, as was mentioned in the OP article, you can pick up a chair or put something between you two. With a gun you are screwed.

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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I agree with what you're saying about not knowing if someone has a gun or not, and in light of that fact this law is kind of redundant. If you already have a CCW then it was already a secret to begin with, and only a bar search would reveal it (as it still would).

    My main thing with guns is that they are easier to kill with. If someone pulls a knife, as was mentioned in the OP article, you can pick up a chair or put something between you two. With a gun you are screwed.
    Its been a while since I researched the statistics, but I believe at close range a Knife actually carries a higher fatality risk rate than a gun does.

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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Nuts are going to be nuts. But I see no reason to put another liability on bar owners in regards to carrying weapons. Bars will get sued should something happen. They are not supposed to serve people with weapons. The solution is to search people just like they have to id people to make sure they are of age.
    SB 1113, page 9, lines 15-20


    Check that out... it's the part of the bill that removes liability from the owner of the establishments.
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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    SB 1113, page 9, lines 15-20


    Check that out... it's the part of the bill that removes liability from the owner of the establishments.
    Can you link it? BTW IMHO it is not my job to do your google search.

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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Kind of going to go off on a tangent here..sorry but I've got to.

    For the most part most people in this thread seem to agree that people have a right to carry a gun into a bar. If the owner doesn't want people to be carrying a gun into their bar then they have the right to tell them to "leave it outside" or to have a place to put it while the person is in the bar.

    So...since it is ok for the owner to say weather or not to allow guns into his bar why can the same not be said for smoking? People that go to the bars in Arizona will know that there is a chance that the bar they go to will have guns in it. And will go to that bar or not based on that. Would the same reasoning not also apply to smoking? Those that are against smoking won't go to that bar. Those that don't care will.

    To me this law shows that the owners of an establishment have the right to allow or not allow something to happen in their place of business.
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