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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Did you even read the OP or just saw some basic words and went instantly into an emotional response.

    Sweeping bodies from the bar? Wow, really. Did you work for George Bush's administration in PR with that kind of huge hyperbole.
    Zyphlin I most often really like your posts but sometimes you are really to serious to a fault.

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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    On properties that don't want the guns, this will just lead to more searches of people as they enter the bars. It's true that you can just leave the bar and go somewhere else, but if you live in a small area with one or two that have the same policy, then your rights are pretty screwed anyway.

    I'm all for people defending their homes and their property, but I would feel less safe at a bar with so many people carrying. The vast majority of gun owners are responsible carriers, but it doesn't change the fact that one crazy drunk person at the bar who decides to go kamikaze will do a lot of damage. For me the issue has never been about people abusing guns en mass, but it's about the efficiency that guns have at killing as compared to knives or other instruments. You can kill someone much easier with a gun.

    I only know a couple of bartenders in the U.S. and they both have guns behind the counter. If something goes down, my instinct would not be to reach for my gun but to get out of dodge.

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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Zyphlin I most often really like your posts but sometimes you are really to serious to a fault.
    I can understand joking or exaggerating to a degree if you're trying to make a point and its within the realm of an actual decent thought that clearly shows the exaggeration is there for humor or as a tongue in cheek absurd example and not as something you SERIOUSLY actually believe.

    When your entire post is 3 lines of complete and utter extreme hyperbole, filled with factually incorrect information that is readily available IN THE OP, and devoid of anything worth while then its not funny, its not humerous, its not joking, its just stupid.

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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I'm all for people defending their homes and their property, but I would feel less safe at a bar with so many people carrying. The vast majority of gun owners are responsible carriers, but it doesn't change the fact that one crazy drunk person at the bar who decides to go kamikaze will do a lot of damage.
    Think for a moment:
    If someone with a CCW decides to "go kamikaze and do a lot of damage", what real difference does it make if he has the gun on him, or in his car?

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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Think for a moment:
    If someone with a CCW decides to "go kamikaze and do a lot of damage", what real difference does it make if he has the gun on him, or in his car?
    About 15-20 seconds depending on how far away they parked.
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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I can understand joking or exaggerating to a degree if you're trying to make a point and its within the realm of an actual decent thought that clearly shows the exaggeration is there for humor or as a tongue in cheek absurd example and not as something you SERIOUSLY actually believe.

    When your entire post is 3 lines of complete and utter extreme hyperbole, filled with factually incorrect information that is readily available IN THE OP, and devoid of anything worth while then its not funny, its not humerous, its not joking, its just stupid.
    Okay so you did not appreciate it no skin off my nose and hopefully not yours. Let's let by gones be by gones after all it is just a message board. BTW here in Texas I can carry a gun down the street w/o any kind of permit beyond fed regs.

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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    On properties that don't want the guns, this will just lead to more searches of people as they enter the bars. It's true that you can just leave the bar and go somewhere else, but if you live in a small area with one or two that have the same policy, then your rights are pretty screwed anyway.
    Drink at home then, or put up with the searches if the bar owner feels like he must go that route. Or establish your own bar where you don't search people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I'm all for people defending their homes and their property, but I would feel less safe at a bar with so many people carrying. The vast majority of gun owners are responsible carriers, but it doesn't change the fact that one crazy drunk person at the bar who decides to go kamikaze will do a lot of damage. For me the issue has never been about people abusing guns en mass, but it's about the efficiency that guns have at killing as compared to knives or other instruments. You can kill someone much easier with a gun.
    I would feel the same as I do now. Nothing really prevents one from bringing a gun into a bar. There's not much one can do if you're carrying concealed, they're not going to know. If they allow it, not much is going to change. Dollars to donuts say that most people choose not to carry to a bar regardless. And if something happens, well there was no guarantee against it in the first place. And hell, maybe someone will have a gun there and can help quickly end the situation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I only know a couple of bartenders in the U.S. and they both have guns behind the counter. If something goes down, my instinct would not be to reach for my gun but to get out of dodge.
    As would the vast majority of people.
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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Okay so you did not appreciate it no skin off my nose and hopefully not yours. Let's let by gones be by gones after all it is just a message board. BTW here in Texas I can carry a gun down the street w/o any kind of permit beyond fed regs.
    Really? I was under the impression, being a Texan myself, that you needed a CCL to carry a gun on your person. It is my understanding that you need no license to keep a weapon in your vehicle.
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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    About 15-20 seconds depending on how far away they parked.
    Exactly. He walks to the car and does what he was going to do anyway.

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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Really? I was under the impression, being a Texan myself, that you needed a CCL to carry a gun on your person. It is my understanding that you need no license to keep a weapon in your vehicle.
    I'm not sure of the details. I do know I have carried a shot gun down the street with no problem on several occasions. I have had a game warden inspect though to make sure I ws in complience with the law.

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