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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    good question. i don't know, do you?
    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You are assuming that "a certain number of people will commit gun crimes if they are allowed to carry guns".

    If you do not know what % of the people who are allowed to carry concealed weapons commit crimes with them", how can you argue anything regarding these people?
    In Arizona it's less than 1% of violent crime is committed by CCW holders.

    That doesn't even include crimes that involve firearms... cause the number is so small.
    George Washington didn't use his freedom of speech to win the war with Britain... He shot them.

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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by ewm90 View Post
    actually many countries sent aid. Including hugo choves dictator.
    Just cause I send you a package doesn't mean you have to accept it.
    George Washington didn't use his freedom of speech to win the war with Britain... He shot them.

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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    Just cause I send you a package doesn't mean you have to accept it.
    He offer cheeper gas thew his gas company CITGO and many times free. he had adds on US TV about it.

    I cant remember well but he was also going to send food man power,or some ting but the us prevented him.

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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by ewm90 View Post
    He offer cheeper gas thew his gas company CITGO and many times free. he had adds on US TV about it.

    I cant remember well but he was also going to send food man power,or some ting but the us prevented him.
    You proved my point.
    George Washington didn't use his freedom of speech to win the war with Britain... He shot them.

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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    You proved my point.
    How so?

    He did send aid.

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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    So would waving a gun around in a bar be okay even though it scares the **** out patrons?
    Beyond what Rev stated, many states have specific laws directly dealing with brandishing a weapon. For example, my state:

    "Virginia Code
    18.2-282.

    It shall be unlawful for any person to point, hold or brandish any firearm or any air or gas operated weapon or any object similar in appearance, whether capable of being fired or not, in such manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another or hold a firearm or any air or gas operated weapon in a public place in such a manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another of being shot or injured. However, this section shall not apply to any person engaged in excusable or justifiable self-defense."

    If you're brandishing your gun around then you're in violation of that law and could suffer consequences, the least of which would likely mean your concealed carry permit would be gone.

    However, you can't just say "because a gun scares me it should be illegal".

    Should we make black people illegal if some little old white lady born in the south and raised a bit racist was "afraid" of the large black man at the bar.

    To copy something from George Carlin, shall we ban people with big hands? You can strangle someone with some big freaking hands. Perhaps we should ban them if someone's afraid of being strangled.

    Some people are afraid of enclosed spaces. Should we severely cut back on the amount of people allowed in bars now to make sure we will never cause a clostraphobic person from being afraid?

    Black belt key chain on a guys keys? Shall we prevent people that have martial arts training from bars or from making it known in any way in bars because it may scare people? How about a pocket knife? If you have a leatherman or a swiss army on you and pull it out at any point to move it from pocket to pocket and someones afraid of it, boop, we need to ban them.

    That just doesn't make sense.

    There's things that make sense in regards to legality. Brandishing your weapon when not in a self-defense situation is one of them. Saying you can't have it is not.

    Quote Originally Posted by ewm90 View Post
    Its not going to be fun for the bar keeper sweeping bodies from the bar and patching up built holes in the walls.

    People are barded from driving drunk. but not for having a gun wile drunk grate plain.

    Another day for liberty over logic.
    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Well why can't I wear it on my hip cowboy style? That is just a restriction of my rights
    Did you even read the OP or just saw some basic words and went instantly into an emotional response.

    Sweeping bodies from the bar? Wow, really. Did you work for George Bush's administration in PR with that kind of huge hyperbole.

    And where...show me ANYWHERE...where people are saying individuals should be allowed to be drunk with a gun. The law specifically states they can't drink while they have a gun on concealed. Now, could someone do it? Sure. Someone could also drive drunk. Yet we don't ban cars.

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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by ewm90 View Post
    actually many countries sent aid. Including hugo choves dictator.
    If I remember correctly Chavez offered to sell us heating oil at cost and Bush refused. Bad move on Bush's part IMHO

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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Wow ... what a spectacularly bad idea.
    Solid factual argument. You have swayed me.
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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by ewm90 View Post
    How so?

    He did send aid.
    Again, just cause you send me a package doesn't mean I have to accept it.
    George Washington didn't use his freedom of speech to win the war with Britain... He shot them.

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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    From the article:

    Under the law, backed by the National Rifle Association, the 138,350 people with concealed-weapons permits in Arizona will be allowed to bring their guns into bars and restaurants that haven't posted signs banning them.

    I'd imagine the signs banning them are going to be as popular as the ones warning pregnant ladies not to drink. It's probably a moot point other than it'll help the economy in the sign market.

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